Moonrise2473Thanks to the "you need to buy a new PC for running W11" bullshit, scammers are selling ewaste at full price to inexperienced people
It’s not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.
Windows 11 doesn’t actually need the tpm. They just check: “oh it’s Intel 6th gen, it’s trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one”
Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still “incompatible”
Their marketing told us the lie “it needs tpm and secure boot” but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not
In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)
ArghblargJust block W11 updates entirely.
www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/
It’s mostly bullshit that one absolutely needs the latest Windows updates; if you use uBlock Origin in your browser and don’t download/run random .EXE/.MSI shit from the internet you’ll be fine. Keep Windows Defender up to date once a month just in case as well.
But really the best option is to switch to Linux.
Yeah… No. Update your software.
ByteJunkThis.
Also, upgrade to Linux.
They weren’t asking
Sorry. We need to learn to ask nicely.
Please upgrade to Linux?
sudo upgrade to Linux?
RunAs -Admin upgrade to Linux?
There is a lot of misinformation regarding the security of older OSes.
There are some people online fabricating videos of older Windows (moslty XP and 7) “getting hacked by idling”, with one of these videos even clearly having a web browser open in the taskbar with the title “virus download”. And when it is pointed out that this doesn’t happen, they get defensive that it will if you are raw connected to the internet. But pretty much everyone owns a modern router that would block direct connections by default, and most ISPs gift one even.
Thank you.
If you’ve ensured your home network’s firewall is sane first, there’s no big issue.
If you dual-boot to Windows occasionally to run that one stupid program that can’t run under Linux, and you aren’t downloading stuff willy-nilly from the wild internet, and you haven’t previously installed all sorts of dodgy call-home programs, you can still be safe running while you’re in Windows. Hell, I have a Windows 7 box that runs just fine from my home network to the internet, thankyouverymuch. I even download stuff from there gasp, but I check the files first! Imagine that.
Most people aren’t knowledgeable enough to maintain proper security however so I guess I should just stop commenting on posts like this, as I always get flak from people stating it’s impossible to run an OS more than 2 weeks old on the Internet without being instantly hacked :p.
On the other hand, there were some exploits without user interaction even in the last few months.
But indeed it you expose all the ports to internet (not just connect under nat) windows XP, you gonna get infected by blaster within 5 minutes
Possibly linuxYes it does need a tpm
Anything else isn’t supported by Microsoft. You really don’t want to screw around since you need security updates from Microsoft.
Ok read the documentation: …microsoft.com/…/windows-11-24h2-supported-intel-…
Where does it say that you can use a 6th gen Intel CPU if you install a tpm chip?
The tpm is definitely not used as you can install it on a supported system, then go to the bios, disable secure boot and tpm and it still works (if the automatic “ransomware” bitlocker encryption didn’t start)
Did you read the link you posted? It says you must have Intel 8th gen or higher AND tpm 2.0
Not just tpm 2.0
I’ve formatted and installed W11 on dozens of computers and never had it fail once. My gaming rig is an Optiplex from 2014, runs 11 just fine.
Don’t do that
If anything run the long term support version of Windows 10
Whats it called?
Lstc/iot
☂️-the lenghts people will go because they refuse to consider the penguin.
Give it up.
Lengths required for this solution: purchase computer and use it.
Lengths required for Linux: spend 10 years understanding all the technical underpinnings so that you can get a basic install going and then realize you can’t accomplish 98% of what you need to because it’s a piece of shit not made for desktop use.
spend 10 years understanding all the technical underpinnings
oh give me a break. linux doesnt need 10 years of understanding to use as effectively as windows.
Your understanding of Linux is about 10 years out of date my friend. Linux has made massive strides in ease of install and use in recent years.
If you’re not playing games - and the people buying these machines aren’t - then you’ll have as stable and easy an experience with Linux as you would with Windows
My understanding is 100% up to date.
I developed games professionally for 2 decades and ran MANY startups. If you think I don’t get it, THINK AGAIN
Linux people need to get a fucking grip. It’s a shitty tool for EVERYBODY except developers.
The year of Linux on the desktop was 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025
You need to understand that your ZEAL shows how little you understand about the overall landscape of OS and tech.
Lol. Sure buddy.
Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good “unsupported by Windows 11” PC cheap this October.
stinermanSame. Should be rock bottom prices.
lol, the one on top is the same i bought in 2016, crazy still on the market. I still have the CPU, replaced motherboard, case, and other goodies over the years
Scott 🇨🇦🏴☠️Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.
ZizzyI dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.
Very possible.
AdrianTheFrogI got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.
FaridCould you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown if what it should cost?
The only time a tried to buy a laptop from Amazon it was advertised as 16Gb of RAM. What was delivered was 8G with an 8GB SD card taped to the box and Amazon refused to give me an actual refund. So i just assume any computer you buy on Amazon is fraudulent now
That seems like an entirely different problem from the one being discussed.
Should have done a charge back
I bought a stand mixer with the credit i was given instead and cancelled my Amazon account
At least you got something out of it
AnyOldName3It can’t be legitimate because licences for the bundled software cost more than the machines are being sold for. Also, the hardware included isn’t officially Windows 11 compatible, so selling it with Windows 11 installed is misleading the customer into thinking they’re buying something much more recent than they really are. For a decent number of people buying these, they’re likely to own something just as new already, and could get a free upgrade to Windows 11 by doing the same configuration tweaks as the sellers did.
Do you mean you wouldn’t consider it a scam if it has W10 preinstalled instead? How much is MS Office anyway? I know there are $5 W11 keys all over the place.
The $5 Windows keys have never been legitimate - either they’re just people selling keys they’ve generated with a keygen or bought with a stolen credit card, or it’s students reselling free keys they’ve got from Dreamspark or a sysadmin selling keys from their employer’s enterprise licence, which, in Microsoft’s eyes, are all piracy. An OEM copy of Windows 11 Pro is about €150 and can’t be transferred to a different motherboard, and a retail copy which can be transferred is about €300. A one-time purchase copy of Office is about €120 (it’s also available as a subscription). These machines either have at least €270 of software on them, or €0 worth of pirated software on them.
What does it matter that Microsoft considers it piracy? If they got the keys for cheap somewhere, it’s a real licensed version anyway and will work fine.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.
I can order retro emulation handhelds from China and it will arrive with 1000s of ROMs, which is literal piracy, but that doesn’t make it a scam.
I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases
That’s why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new
So keeping it from being actual ewaste it’s now going to be used by someone… That seems like a good thing.
The only downside I see is that it isn’t disclosed
My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it’s not
(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)
How are they scamming? They list the specs right there again the only issue is that they are used parts potentially, but I’m not sure how you know these examples are specifically sourced as you claim.
It is unrealistic that parts with that age are brand new, available in that quantity. It might happens that some distributor misplaces some box and a couple computers are old new stock after a decade, but hundreds?
Also: W11 pro OEM is 120 euro and office 365 perpetual doesn’t even exist, and if they meant office 2024 home and business is 299 euro. 120+299 exceed the listing price
But “e-waste” means something so outadet that it’s useless. Or unrepairable. Those computers are perfectly fine for 80% of users.
And are they explicitly saying that these are new? While you know for sure it’s heavily used equipment?
“NUOVO” in Capital letters means NEW
But are you certain they aren’t new and this is a scam? I’m interested to know how you determined those are used.
First row of the 400 euro one
jumping redditor [they/them]these are at best new old stock, not truly new
Of course it’s not new new, the CPU is 10 years old. But who would think that it is?
unfortunately most people don’t keep track of CPU generation names.
But “new” in the context of shopping just means “not used”, not that it was released in the past year or two.
And as I mentioned in another reply, they are not advertising anything false if those components are actually unused. If the buyer expects some band new, recently released machine with those specs, it’s on them. When you’re buying electronics, some minimal amount of research is required, or you outsource it to your family/friends.
LilB0kChoyBanks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy
3-5 years is a pretty standard depreciation schedule for IT equipment like computers, peripheral accessories etc.
Computers and laptops (using Straight-line method): 31.67% with a useful life of 3 years.
Computers and laptops (using Written Down Value method): 63.16% with a useful life of 3 years
It really has nothing to do with leasing vs. buying.
Yes ok from an accounting point of view.
But from a functional point of view?
I see how my bank teller works: they connect to a terminal server
I see how my other bank works: a VM that runs AS/400 that is acting as a terminal to their mainframe
Why they’re changing computers so often? The first one can use any PC released in the past 15 years and the second one can use any released in the past 30 years
I can’t speak to your specific examples since I don’t work there.
The reasons beyond caper considerations are things like security, compliance, warranty coverage expiration, standardization across the org, general employee satisfaction, hardware falling out of vendor support.
I doubt the banks computers are single purpose or purchased specifically for each job role. Sure a 15 or 30 year old computer might technically work but there’s no way it’ll meet regulatory security compliance rules.
The home user/hobbyist approach really doesn’t scale to corporate IT.
They don’t support Windows 11