.ml world "news" continuing to be an excellent source of journalism and definitely NOT contributing to the spread of Putin talking points!/s

https://lemmy.world/post/32323822

has there been shareable rigorous proof that the units in Ukraine are not nazis? I know proving a negative (ie: none are) is impossible but there must be proof debunking stuff like “this patch is a nazi patch”?

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and before others ramp up the pitchforks because someone honestly wanted to share links here is my reply expounding my thoughts:

fi am saying i would love a list of links to share with the assholes that show them the prop they pushed was wrong.

why does that mean to you i “need hard proof” to believe something? i just want links. triggering yourself because someone asked for some info says a lot about how you may need to disconnect a hot minute.

my neighbors are refugees from ukraine. i adore them. i can’t just ask them “why do assholes in the US claim you are nazis?” they have lost it all already.

so … yeah. have you seen anything that is shareable with the russia agitprop assholes? not that they are convincible but yeah… helps to share.

You can go there for a list of links to Western media that went on and on about the Nazis in Ukraine before the western initiated war against them. It's what changed my mind, because at the time, at least, those links were still very much live links.

There’s absolutely Nazis serving in Ukraine, it’s just that the Azov leadership has been subsumed by the Ukrainian military rather than their former role as more of a militia. I haven’t seen any reports of Ukrainian leaders being Nazis.

I might add that there’s plenty of Nazis in Russia as well, and they serve in the Russian army too. Shit, Wagner was named after Hitler’s favorite composer and Perogi’s second in command had the damn SS thunder bolts tatted on his neck. He died with the chef though, thankfully.

Because Western media just suddenly changed the narrative.

I have no idea if Wagner was a Nazi, but I do like Flight of the Valkeries. The fylflot was used by many people and still is, not as a symbol of hate, the runes are still in use as an alphabet and magical symbols by neopagan asatru...and that's not my point.

It’d be pretty weird for Wagner to be a Nazi considering he died in 1883…
The attitude is the attitude. What word would you suggest?

Wagner is only relevant insofar as Hitler was a fan, and then that his name was selected for the Russian PMC.

Normally I’d say that could just be a coincidence, but when one of the founding members also happens to have the SS bolts tatted on him, I think it’s safe to say they’re an organization comprised of fascists.

This user is a long since tagged Tankie that just referred to .world/SJW as “The Nazi Instance” for calling attention to a clear misinfo “source” being put out as “news”

Where's the lie? Here's more for you:

Don’t those same people often accuse hexbear of brigading?

Again, where's the lie, Mr "I can't self-validate and attention seek to make up for it?”

Thanks for confirming that you do indeed think of any instance not toeing the Triads preferred narratives as “Nazi Instances”

The lie would be anyone on here talking about brigading that post but you. I don’t even see it linked in this thread at all

Edit: thinking about this some more, your take is even more fuck-stupid considering OP is the main force behind the lemmy.ml boycott which encourages people not to participate on the instance whatsoever

well I have an acct there too. since I am, in all actuality, much a lefty. my initial reply was in good faith because I believe folks need to come with links not rhetoric, and now that I have them, (it was in another reply), I can take them back over the wall.

I’m a socialist. I largely stopped going there when they decided anything other than the prevailing view of the admins is racism. Can’t have a meaningful discussion there, wrongthink comments get nuked.

I suspect you’ll get plastered with some label and put in timeout if you attempt to pierce their bubble at all.

yeah. i reckon so. anarchist socialist here too.
Right on. It’s usually pretty telling when they’re asked about their thoughts on the Kronstadt Rebellion. Vanguard socialism is fucking bunk, imo
Most of those 2014–2021 links are still live. Here are some.
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