Izzy Jun 24
something I think nodejs software developers don't undestand is that using and running node-based software as an admin is miserable; it's basically impossible to package for a distro sanely, the actual software ends up taking up huge amounts of disk space, the dependency kudzu situation makes it really difficult to trust anything...
basically unless it's the only option I will avoid it. at least go software tends to result in easily usable binaries.
Show threadIzzy 
"just use docker" you know full well that this is not a solution it's just hiding the problem
Jun 24 at 4:55amWeb
Show threadIrisJun 24
@izzy Speaking as a bit of a container fiend, sometimes that's good enough, honestly. Would be nice if it were better, but... sometimes just packaging up all the shit the application devs make and hiding it in a neat little box makes things that much more sane.
Show threadIzzy Jun 24
@iris_meredith oh I'm a big container enjoyer (mostly debian on proxmox LXC) I just don't think packaging your software as 90% of an OS image is a good solution to it being awful to administer
Show threadIrisJun 24
@izzy This is fair, though, if I'm to be honest, I'm a little burnt out on writing applications entirely. We have too many damn apps, and so many of them are not very useful.
Show threadpurple 💜Jun 24
@izzy@social.shadowkat.net docker solves one thing: "it works on my machine".

the problem is, we're supposed to deploy 'your machine' in production,,
Show threadJan AntošJun 24
@purple @izzy well I have seen docker compose build environment that definitively did not worked on my computer, guess what, I am using podman and there was some obscure networking setup. Nope there is zero guarantee that one’s container setup will work on another one’s machine. If it is simple container than yes, but nothing today is that simple. If you want distribute app then we have flatpak or appimage.
Show threadF4GRX SébastienJun 24
@izzy I've seen a linux command line tool that was defined as an alias to run a docker container. This is going too far.
Show threadgürkan �’ :catlong_head_left::catlong_h::catlong_end_right:Jun 24
@izzy sad part is, that is accepted as a solution by the majority, which does not care about sustainability or maintenance at all. so that crap becomes the foundation of the next big thing and so on..
Show threadsilhouetteJun 24
@izzy after using it for the few Linux related tasks i have at work i've actually come around on Docker a fair amount