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fuminghumanist@Crell Melon Tusk, the 'green tech innovator' of electric cars, solar roofs, and batteries solved the AI draining the grid problem by illegally running a bunch of heavy polluting gas generators. Everything is ok now.
firstprimateNot the first time.
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PixeKnight@firstprimate @fuminghumanist @Crell OMG, yeah, I always suspected that just switching to EVs doesn't actually help all that much (BY ITSELF).
Like, we also need to shut down most of fossil power plants, only then does it make a dramatic difference.
Not to say switching to EVs bad, just that it feels like an excuse for governments to not invest in green energy, while we need to do BOTH.
@a_e_sayapov @firstprimate @fuminghumanist EVs on dirty electricity are still better than gas cars, since power plants are more efficient than your car is.
But yes, greening the grid is a required step that needs to be moving a lot faster.
NiceMicro@Crell @a_e_sayapov @firstprimate @fuminghumanist an EV is still a car, has tiers that make noise and microplastics, take up space, require half of your city covered with tar.
If you cared about the environment, you advocated for public transit, that is the most energy and space efficient way to move people around.
EVs are a scam to make selfish people who want the government to subsidise their luxuries but also want to feel like they are doing something good.
@nicemicro @a_e_sayapov @firstprimate @fuminghumanist More walkable cities with public transit is lovely. But that's simply not viable for large swaths of the country, especially areas that are not cities. And even if we committed to it, it will take decades to rebuild all our cities to not need cars. EVs are a necessity and even in the most optimistic case will be for decades.
Your vitriol towards people with their own wheels is counter productive.
@Crell @nicemicro @firstprimate @fuminghumanist yes, it's not necessarily viable in rural areas, I agree, but it is totally viable in cities, and I would argue even in suburbs.
Just make bus routes around the suburbs that can take you to a train station (that you'd also have to build) that can then take you to the city centre.
How do I know that works? Because I used to visit my friend who lived in suburbs that way.
And since most people live in cities and suburbs, it will reduce pollution.
@a_e_sayapov @nicemicro @firstprimate @fuminghumanist You need to get say more places than city center.
I live right near a local light rail station in the Chicago area. We have the 2nd best public transit coverage in the counter after NYC. It's still impossible to get to 90% of places without a car, in less than 2-3 hours.
It took a century to build car cities. It will take at least 50 tests to unbuild them.
@Crell @nicemicro @firstprimate @fuminghumanist That's because there isn't enough investment into public transport.
Because there isn't enough public transport investment, it's shitty, and because it's shitty, no-one uses it, and because no-one uses it, it doesn't get investment.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
@a_e_sayapov @nicemicro @firstprimate @fuminghumanist Indeed.
To be clear, I'm in favor of more/better public transit. I'm Yes-and on EVs, bikes, ebikes, public transit... We need all of the above.
@Crell @nicemicro @firstprimate @fuminghumanist fair nuff.
But yeah, my point basically is that we need to start somewhere.
the problem is, that EVs are "not a start in the right direction", it's a scam, so the status quo of the car industry milking the american public dry can continue, just even in a worse, more tax-payer subsidized way.
how is it a "good thing" to let the already rich get tax-subsidies on a more dangerous, more expensive car instead of sustainable development?
in the list of "public transit, EVs, ebikes, bikes", there is one that is not like the other.
@nicemicro I meant start investing in public transport