Sven A. SchmidtNo, we don't. We need to talk about your trackers.
Alerta! Alerta!@finestructure I'm not talking to stalkers.
It's a bit like burglars complaining about your door lock....
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Olivier Halligon@finestructure I share the sentiment, but I'd make the diff between "ad blocker" and "tracker blocker" though.
i.e. in practice I could be understanding of "either subscribe to support us or browse for free but with ads, bc _we can't work for free_".
But I would never tolerate "either subscribe or _enable cookies to allow us to track you_".
They can still serve you (non personalized) ads to get revenue for their work without needing to track you for it
@aligatr I run a website that has no tracking, still serves ads, and isn’t affected by ad blockers. The onus isn’t on me to deal with the distinction 🤷♂️
@aligatr I didn’t mean this to sound contentious. I get your point and I think it’s important to support sites!
The thing is that these banners are always about the tracking cookies.
Workshopshed@finestructure @aligatr the challenge is for the advertisers to understand their return on investment. But if they think about sales £ vs spend £ rather than views and clicks they wouldn't need all these trackers?
Leeloo@aligatr @finestructure
In all other cases, the advertisers pay the owner of the equipment for permission to put their ad up. Only when the equipment is a computer, they expect to be able to do so for free.
If I want my name on a train, I can pay the rail road company. If I get a can of spray paint and go down to the station at night, it's not an ad, it's called grafitti.
Why should computers be different?
That's why I say I'm not blocking ads, I'm blocking grafitti. Want to show an ad on my monitor? Negotiate an advertising contract.
M0KHRAll they will get out of this is, permanent incognito tabs.
millennial falcon@M0KHR in a world of informed consent that would be the case. in our world though, that kind of bad faith coersion works really effectively.
fortunately tho it's up to each individual. whew.
Kemotep 
🔰Since I use an iPhone and just enabled whatever privacy setting Apple came out with a few years back now, lots of websites think I have an adblocker. I do not. They are absolutely telling on themselves.
HyperSoop 
@kemotep @finestructure You really should get an ad blocker though :3
I absolutely cannot go without Firefox and uBlock Origin on the desktop. ;)
Mehdi Kharraz@kemotep @soop @finestructure For iOS, the best option is definitely Wipr 2: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wipr-2/id1662217862
Small one-time fee but 100% worth it!
Small one-time fee but 100% worth it!
Wipr 2
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Dan@finestructure The sites that use these banners tend to have the most obtrusive ads that make the site unusable anyway, so I make a point avoid them.
It's not even just the trackers. Ad networks are a security risk. I'm the IT guy for an SMB and when I started this job, I would get calls from people panicked that they had a virus. It was always some scareware popup injected through the ads on the site they were visiting. After I forced uBlock Origin on all of the PCs, those calls stopped.
Dubi is here 
@finestructure
I think it's fair to say "if you don't want ads then subscribe". The question then becomes do they disable trackers for subscribed users
I think it's fair to say "if you don't want ads then subscribe". The question then becomes do they disable trackers for subscribed users
Kid Mania
Seth Galitzer@finestructure No mercy for any site that tries to shame you for using an ad blocker. Instant pass on a site that does this.
alys@finestructure i don't use any ad blockers, just tracking blockers, so it feels like a tell every time i see one of these popups.
@@@finestructure exactly, nothing feels better than this
Raymond@finestructure If they want to talk about ad blockers, they should start with why they were necessary.
First, popups that were hard to close, then a big block saying to allow popups, then hijacking ads, then drive by malware.
Gilgwath@finestructure I have no problem with ads. I have a problem with the tracking that's almost always connected to them. I have a problem with the scams, predatory products, missinformation, and outright malware proliferated by ads. I have a problem with pages that are more ad than content. I have a problem with autoplaying videos and audio. I have a problem with content being blended with ads in a way you are never sure which is which. I have a problem with ads that are violating the very same platform guidelines, the creators on the same platform get demoneytised for violating the same rules. Have a problem with ads wasting humongous volumes of bandwidth and power I paid for. As long as that keeps being true, I'm running an ad blocker.
Mieszko Ślusarczyk@finestructure that’s an insta close for me.
Fauve@finestructure Moi j’aurais même pu dire « YOU need ».
felis_catus_domesticus@finestructure I don't value sites that do these kinds of door slams..
I can get the same info 10 other places online. Don't need to say yes to turning off my ad blocker for anyone.
Bert Driehuis@finestructure fun fact: you can't subscribe to Slate's ad free offering with Firefox and an adblocker. Had to fire up chromium just to find out that they charge $120 per year. Oh, and of course you only find the price after the trial period in the small print, the prominently displayed price is $15.
Sigh. I like one of their podcasts but was very put off by being marketed to in this way.
Number6 
Every site wants you to subscribe when all you want is *one* article, which was heavily promoted in various public media.
This is untenable for most people. Especially since you don't know in advance if the article is actually any good or just click bait.
What we need is a universal subscription service, where you can pay to get, say, 100 articles a month pulled from any of hundreds of different services.
Edwin G. 
@finestructure @GroupNebula563 I don’t block adverts, but I do block malware, trackers and spyware.
Furbland's Very Cool Mastodon™@EdwinG @finestructure the problem of course is that a lot of adverts tend to also fall into those categories quite often
@EdwinG may I recommend blocking ads too, you might love it!
@finestructure
Last time I used a VPN to access slate with an European address they said they share data with over 900 "partners".
Last time I used a VPN to access slate with an European address they said they share data with over 900 "partners".
STrRedWolf@finestructure I want to know their acceptable ad policy.
stony kark@finestructure and your ads. I’m not interested in making you money, sorry slate/etc
SirWumpus 👾🍁@finestructure NEVER EVER WILL I DISABLE MY AD BLOCKER. No web site is worth the frustration and privacy invasion.
@sirwumpus @finestructure not a single website is worth disabling privacy. not any number of anything is worth disabling privacy.
Bill Taroli 
@finestructure only 10? Doesn’t seem so awful. 🤣