#Via Trish Greenhalgh
@trishgreenhalgh
June 19, 2025, 12:22 PM

"Every summer, I repost this article DROWNING DOES NOT LOOK LIKE DROWNING. To date, I know of FOUR kids who were saved after someone who'd clicked on the link learnt how to spot actual drowning. Take time to read and pass on."

https://slate.com/technology/2013/06/rescuing-drowning-children-how-to-know-when-someone-is-in-trouble-in-the-water.html

Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning

Drowning is not the violent, splashing call for help that most people expect.

Slate

Missing video from article is here:

https://youtu.be/YL9wb4tUlhI

Drowning Doesn't Look Like Drowning

YouTube

#Via Guay / guay
June 19, 2025, 12:38 PM

"Decent summary for people who prefer video."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjGsR-Mvk5c

Drowning doesn't look like drowning

YouTube

@_L1vY_

Youngest is about to take up his second season as a pool lifeguard. Will have a chat with him about this - thanks for posting.

@_L1vY_ my dad was a doctor and we had a pool. He and I have saved several people in our pool throughout the years. I had this same conversation about how a drowning person acts with a friend just the other day. My dad taught me calmness and how to rescue. It is invaluable.
@_L1vY_ Thanks. That explains why a lifeguard paddled by me when I was peacefully treading water in the ocean and asked if I was OK, it puzzled me at the time.
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh swim instructors beg parents not to use Puddle Jumpers or floaties because kids become accustomed to this upright position.
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh Thank you for posting it. This is so important! 🙏
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh when I was around 8-9 yo, I lost consciousness in the swimming pool, during swimming class. No one noticed (not even lifeguard), except my friend. I remember waking up before she pulled me on the surface... And it kind of felt like what the article describes. Like, I wasn't really able to move? I didn't even know what was going on, tbh, not until later. I did not scream, that's for sure.
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh The last sentence is the most important: children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh tldr just rescue anyone appearing to be exceptionally bad at swimming

@lritter It doesn't matter being good at swimming if they're not swimming 😬

@trishgreenhalgh

@_L1vY_ @lritter @trishgreenhalgh I'm a great swimmer who was way too confident at the sea once and needed to be rescued.

It really doesn't matter how good of a swimmer you are. The sea is ruthless.

@catzilla @_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh and i bet as you were in these difficulties, you seemed like a bad swimmer also. so had i been there, i would have rescued you. or not. we might both have drowned.
Read this now ☝️
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh
I will add (lifeguard training) it is ALWAYS OK to ask a swimmer in the water if they're doing alright
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh Hear hear. Swimming is a critical life saving skill. Sadly, education wise, it is often on the chopping block or isn't taught in school and left to private classes. In the latter situation the whole deal becomes privilege and often racially coded. I wouldn't be surprised that social equity aligns with the ability of people to swim (or not drown).

@koen_hufkens

But 66% of drowning deaths are people who DID know how to swim. This is about drowning vigilance, which is for EVERYONE!

@trishgreenhalgh

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2019/06/04/just-because-you-know-how-to-swim-doesnt-mean-you-know-how-to-survive-drowning/

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh As someone who was saved from drowning as a child, this article is spot on.

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh
Thank you for sharing this. I'd just like to add in that in the case of little kids, red or orange swimsuits help them show up in the pool if they get in trouble. Blue swimsuits make them harder to see in the water.

https://abc7.com/blue-bathing-suit-warning-why-not-buy-suits-toddler-pool-safety/13159882/

Swim instructor warns parents against blue bathing suits for kids

Nikki Scarnati said she hopes her advice can help prevent drowning deaths.

@_L1vY_
So hot pink is always the way to go. Noted!
@MaryAustinBooks @trishgreenhalgh

@rlcw @MaryAustinBooks

That's how it looks to me! Plus some construction-work orange 😆

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh

Thanks for sharing. As a regular visitor to the ocean coast, the part about determining direction of the water flow and swimming perpendicular to it is important in the case of a rip current.

You will never out swim a rip current.

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh @garrett I pulled a kid out who was trapped under an inflatable ring in the wave pool at one of the Disney world water parks 20 years ago, they weren’t splashing but stuff looked super wrong
@directhex @_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh @garrett
Ugh, I saw that happen briefly to an infant in the Lazy River. The water parks' inflatable baby rings are just as stable upside-down once they tip 😬

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh
I live in Sacramento County, which has THREE rivers, a recreational lake & countless private swimming pools. Every summer there is tragedy after tragedy, ALL of which could be prevented.

Please read & heed the article and keep your loved ones alive!

@cynblogger @_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh
Yes, Sacramento has far too many incidents.
fire department officials have told me that river rescues are down in their area since:
1. diving was barred at Clay Banks

2. Rangers are patrolling the
waterways more in known problem areas (I've seen them out on jet skis near Nimbus and Clay Banks)

3. alcohol is banned on the river during Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh

The toddler in the following story was rescued in time.

At a park beach one summer, a toddler was crouched in shallow water at her father's feet as he chatted with his brother. She somehow lost her footing and fell face down into the water and couldn't get herself back up.

Luckily, a man walking close by snatched her out of the water almost immediately.

Her mother came running with a scream. The father was confused about what was happening. There had been no sound to alert him to look down. It happened so quickly.

@Hicsumus
It is so fast with children 😓

@trishgreenhalgh

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh

Yes. That one was shocking to me. I literally watched it happen. It was so fast that a bunch of us would've been too slow even though we jumped up to run over. There wasn't any time to yell at the father. No one would ever dream such a thing could happen in a depth of a few inches of water.

@Hicsumus Lethal bucket in the back yard type danger

@_L1vY_ one other important thing to know: be careful how you approach someone who is drowning.

They will instinctually try to grab and climb onto anything to get out of the water. That can lead to pulling a potential rescuer under.

Extending something they can grab, like a preserver, or going behind them is safer.

@bomkatt
The article literally says they will not be able to grab anything.
@_L1vY_

@rlcw I think I said that badly. A drowning person is fighting for their life and not processing information.

they may not recognize an object that is extended and understand they can hold it.

They will also not realize if the thing they are trying to climb or get above is a human attempting to rescue them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinctive_drowning_response

@_L1vY_

Instinctive drowning response - Wikipedia

@bomkatt
I've read both the sources in that article as well as the article on the death grip and all of them indicate that the "paniced grabbing" is not usually the issue, but rather that rescuers get in to water they themselves cannot manage. I did also learn how to do a rescue when I was a teen from lifeguards and they taught us turn a victim on their back, head above water to drag them to shore and thrashing was also never mentioned there.
@_L1vY_
@rlcw @bomkatt @_L1vY_ Swimmers in trouble grabbing & climbing rescuers is real. Lifesaving training teaches (or did when I took it) various approaches and holds to handle these situations. And, yes, a rear approach with a cross chest carry is pretty standard.

@rlcw @bomkatt @_L1vY_ that's interesting (haven't read the sources). Like everyone else, I was taught to be careful of panicked grabbing from a drowning person, to approach from behind, etc

All still a good idea, but interesting if most rescuer problems were from them not being about to handle the water...

@colo_lee I got the info about getting pulled under at PADI rescue diver certification. They teach you to get to people from behind for that reason, and to expect them to not realize you are there to help at first.

It's a real risk, even if I did not manage to post the single most convincing article when citing sources.

@_L1vY_

@bomkatt @_L1vY_ yes, like I said, I too was taught that. And I believe it's a real risk. Be careful in the approach to someone who is drowning

The thing I found interesting was the claim that the major cause of problems for rescuers was their own inability to handle the water where they were attempting a rescue.

Both of these can be true.

@colo_lee @_L1vY_ oh, I went back and reread the post. I misread the tone initially and got a little defensive

Sorry about that!

@colo_lee
Makes sense though if you think about what places people are the least likely to be rescued successfully. In a public pool there is just far less likelihood of people a) not noticing a drowning and b) not noticing if the rescuer was in distress. The cases the source outlined the body of water was deceptive or in one example the rescuer was too drunk. (Though they do say this is mostly not an issue).
@bomkatt @_L1vY_

@bomkatt @rlcw @_L1vY_ What Bomkatt is saying is one of the first principles of rescue taught in Red Cross Life Guarding classes. You cannot save them if you cannot breath and they push you under.

In classes you are taught, and practice, how to grab and transport a drowning victim so they cannot pull you under in their panic. You are taught, and practice, how to get behind a thrashing, panicing victim. You are taught dives for entering the water from various heights without losing sight of your target.

Anyone who considers themselves an excellent swimmer should take the course, learn some real skills that are as lifesaving as CPR is. Because the second most dangerous part of saving a drowning victim, is an eager assistant who becomes the next victim, becuase they didn't understand how to safely bring someone to shore, or get them out of a pool. 🫵💪✌️🤝

@run_atalanta @bomkatt @rlcw @_L1vY_ When I took a lifeguarding course at uni (far more years ago than I care to remember), the instructor started with a stark message: There were 88 drownings in this state last year.

44 of them were double drownings.

@bomkatt @_L1vY_ My father watched his mother, a very strong swimmer, get pulled under trying to save a woman who was drowning in a lake. He made a point to teach me and my brothers how to rescue a drowning person. Luckily I never had to do so.
@old_hippie I'm very happy that I've never needed most of my first aid knowledge. I'll keep it that way if I can
@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh Weird, this reminded me of a "lifeguard simulator" website I'd seen a while back, I think it was this one- the funny part is it is from around the same era, quotes the Slate article (after you make your first rescue or failure) and gives credit to the writer but neither of these things link to each other: http://spotthedrowningchild.com
Spot The Drowning Child

Can you spot the drowning child in this crowded wave pool? An interactive public service announcement. To the untrained eye, drowning can look just like swimming. The Instinctive Drowning Response is frequently missed, even by people nearby.

@randy_s @_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh It does link to the original: https://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/
(the Slate article is a "reprint", with added ads...)
Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning – Mario Vittone

@randy_s every time you click that you get a different video which is neat. I spotted the first one I watched but not the second one

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh

Can verify all this. I saved my 7 yo from drowning in a pool in Florida, and nearly everyone except my wife and I had no idea until we got him out.

@_L1vY_ @trishgreenhalgh

This is the best. Drowning is SILENT. If you can't breathe you can't speak or scream or call.

It's so great to know people were saved because of this!!👍

@_L1vY_ Holu crap, this was helpful and enlightening. It is possible I've almost drowned, at least, three times, as a kid at camp.