kravietz 🦇Jun 18

True humanitarian disaster is unrolling in #Russia as the authorities are switching off mobile Internet in places even very distant from the front line to stop Ukrainian UAVs. It has the unintended consequence that without mobile Internet you can’t buy vodka.

Since 2019 Russia introduced very strict regulations, according to which each sale of alcohol is registered in real-time (!) in an on-line system run by tax administration. This regulation is intended to enforce time restrictions on alcohol sales, so you can’t buy it after 23:00 and before 08:00, plus many more - for example on some holidays, in some locations etc.

If Internet doesn’t work, shops can’t register sales so they can’t legally sell alcohol. Risking huge fines and losing license, they won’t even offer “delayed registration” and widespread snitchery makes it really difficult to bypass these regulations.

Show threadVile Ox
@kravietz
I realize that Russian vodka cannot be sold in Russia is hilarious, but the sign also says that dairy products and even water cannot be sold without the internet either. Best of my understanding, that includes soft drinks too. Even if you have cash, those things are impossible to buy.
Jun 18 at 1:02pmWeb
Show threadkravietz 🦇Jun 18
@VileOx You’re absolutely right and don’t know why - maybe they also introduced real-time controls for these products which were notoriously counterfeited. When I was still going to Russia there was a huge scandal about milk which was “enhanced” with… gypsum.
Show threadKlastrowy BebokJun 18

@kravietz @VileOx exactly, their plan to cover *all* goods with these marks (because of quality, ofc) in russian one can check https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F)

from the other side, "online-only" restriction is about to be changed to "offline with mandatory synchronization later" in 2025

Система маркировки и прослеживаемости товаров (Россия) — Википедия

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kravietz 🦇Jun 18

True humanitarian disaster is unrolling in #Russia as the authorities are switching off mobile Internet in places even very distant from the front line to stop Ukrainian UAVs. It has the unintended consequence that without mobile Internet you can’t buy vodka.

Since 2019 Russia introduced very strict regulations, according to which each sale of alcohol is registered in real-time (!) in an on-line system run by tax administration. This regulation is intended to enforce time restrictions on alcohol sales, so you can’t buy it after 23:00 and before 08:00, plus many more - for example on some holidays, in some locations etc.

If Internet doesn’t work, shops can’t register sales so they can’t legally sell alcohol. Risking huge fines and losing license, they won’t even offer “delayed registration” and widespread snitchery makes it really difficult to bypass these regulations.

Show threadFandaSinJun 18

@kravietz

/sarcasm
You can treat people in ruSSia as animals, you don't have to feed them well or provide them with hospitals, but if you take their vodka, that's where problems starts.😈

Show threadSzymon Sokół 🇵🇱🇪🇺🇺🇦Jun 18
@kravietz Oh, I'm sure russians will circumvent this problem in the usual way - turning to moonshine.
Show threadkravietz 🦇Jun 18

@blotosmetek

This is of course the case, but then you actually risk methyl alcohol and death, or blindness in the best case.

Of course, wine and booze making is widespread in Russia and when I was in the mountains I’ve met true masters of the trade, but you need to know the people in person and they can be easily denounced.

Show threadVile OxJun 18
@kravietz
I realize that Russian vodka cannot be sold in Russia is hilarious, but the sign also says that dairy products and even water cannot be sold without the internet either. Best of my understanding, that includes soft drinks too. Even if you have cash, those things are impossible to buy.
Show threadkravietz 🦇Jun 18
@VileOx You’re absolutely right and don’t know why - maybe they also introduced real-time controls for these products which were notoriously counterfeited. When I was still going to Russia there was a huge scandal about milk which was “enhanced” with… gypsum.
Show threadKlastrowy BebokJun 18

@kravietz @VileOx exactly, their plan to cover *all* goods with these marks (because of quality, ofc) in russian one can check https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F)

from the other side, "online-only" restriction is about to be changed to "offline with mandatory synchronization later" in 2025

Система маркировки и прослеживаемости товаров (Россия) — Википедия

Show threadKurtJun 18
@kravietz The CAP theorem rears its head again.
Show threadLeelooJun 18

@kravietz
Not allowed to buy vodka on holidays, because then there won't be enough vodka to be drunk at work?

That explains a few things such as like why every youtube video showing complete imbeciles crashing their semi trucks, there's always at least one Lada in every clip.

Show threadRobert FrankJun 18
@kravietz
And without Wodka you cannot win a war 🙈.
Show threadAcesabeJun 18
@kravietz
There is a real risk of a national outbreak of sobriety which could be revolutionary!
Show threadVessOnSecurityJun 18
@kravietz The writing says milk and water isn't sold either (even for cash). Why is that?
Show threadTorf und SchneeJun 18
@kravietz good 😊
Show threadRoger MooreJun 18
@kravietz
Couldn't they use wired Internet instead of mobile, or are these mostly places where wired access isn't available?
Show threaddemi7en 🎗🇪🇺Jun 18

@kravietz Ukraine should smuggle a million barrels of the absolute cheapest stuff across the front to humanely eliminate large number of invading russians.

They should also leave barrels of the stuff in front of their positions...

Show threadadingbatponderJun 19
@kravietz We should air lift them unlimited supplies of vodka ASAP. Would the war be over in a week?
Show threadDr. Christopher KunzJun 20
@kravietz I think the issues with dairy products are also because the state veterninary program ВетИС has been successfully cybered. The mandatory veterinarian certificates for milk, fish and turkey seem to be affected still. I just read an interesting piece on Кибервойна about this.
Show threadkravietz 🦇Jun 20

@christopherkunz

I stopped following these topics closely when I stopped going to Russia at all - but the problem with alcohol sales I’ve experienced in person ;) Fortunately, in Caucasus where I’ve been almost exclusively going this particular problem is easily solved by wine and moonshine making at home.

As for food certification, I was always puzzled by quite modern but also extremely superfluous Russian regulations in this sphere, but then I saw the unbelievable scale of food counterfeiting. Which, by the way, happens to be also very popular sector in Caucasus - they produced “original whiskey” and “original cognac” of all brands at small workshops in villages in wholesale.

Same problem was prevalent for medicines (!) so that I literally watched an elderly lady at the counter in a pharmacy almost begging the pharmacist to sell her “original” one, and she got a 100% original looking box also having around 90% certainty that it’s a fake. Russian society is extremely cynical in this aspect.

I don’t think there’s a single business sector that is not being counterfeited - I’ve once learned that Polish “Atlas” maker of ready concrete left Russia, but their products were still abundant in shops - except they were completely faked, and this was the main reason for them leaving Russia.

I don’t think the problem is certification or its absence, the problem is absence of prosecution - so no amount of certification will change that.