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say it louder for the mfers in the back
Chris Lienert@elly highly skilled photo taking there. We were all too slow in the front row
Alex Rock@elly @shibbles @webdirections
That's why I like Svelte: it's more HTML, CSS and Javascript than it is an actual "framework" (though SvelteKit is an actual framework but I don't count SSR/backend/build process in this).
You don't usually want a "Svelte-way" of doing things: Svelte allows you to do it with plain HTML, plain CSS or plain JS.
Much better than all other frameworks đź‘Ś
fedithom@elly @shibbles @webdirections
That's a thing.
0gust1@elly @shibbles @[email protected] would exclude Svelte from this:
the core team made it a fundamental principle in the lib development: don’t reinvent HTML/CSS, stick to the standards, empower users.
the core team made it a fundamental principle in the lib development: don’t reinvent HTML/CSS, stick to the standards, empower users.
Benjamin Geer@elly @Gouximan @shibbles That’s a very good insight. When I worked at a web shop in the 90s, all the developers were male and all the graphic designers were female. Were HTML and CSS stigmatised as feminine early on, and was JavaScript appealing to male developers precisely because it helped them avoid what they saw as women’s work?
Robert Kist 🇦🇹🇸🇬@benjamingeer @elly @Gouximan @shibbles you see the same here in games. People who're into tech attack every problem with tech. People who're into art... well, if your only tool (approach?) is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
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maco@benjamingeer @elly @Gouximan @shibbles that’s what I’ve been saying since JS frameworks took off.
Web was definitely “girl stuff” until then. Trying to avoid the “girl stuff” pigeonhole might be part of why I did OS stuff for years.
@maco @elly @Gouximan @shibbles This is reminding me of @histoftech's account of how programming went from being seen as a women's job to being seen as a men's job in the UK. https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262535182/programmed-inequality/
Al & Val's Modern Homesteading@elly @shibbles @webdirections Started out with HTML/CSS and ended the same way. I've disabled JS in all of my browsers and funny, everything works EXCEPT the popups/pop unders, ads and other annoying shit on all the pages that give me a JS "error" message.
aerique@alandvalonline @elly @shibbles @webdirections Same, been running with NoScript since forever and a lot of stuff just works.
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