David 4d ago

I have these two sentences stuck in my head these days:

A French minister: we need to prepare ourselves for a future when temperatures are 4°C higher.

A climate scientist: with a rise of 4°C above pre-industrial age, up to 90% of the world's population may die.

(edit: muting the post, it's going way beyond its intended audience, I'd like to be able to see notifications about other things. thanks you all for sharing)

#ClimateCrisis #Climate #ClimateEmergency

Show threadCubeRootOfTrue4d ago
@David That's assuming 90% of the population sit idly by while the coastline moves inland. That won't happen
Show threadBeldarak4d ago

@CubeRootOfTrue @David

There is always the possibility to move underground too. Life will always find a path (not saying this is a path I want though :S)

Show threadeswillwalker4d ago
@Beldarak @CubeRootOfTrue @David Do you know that plants, on which our entire terrestrial ecosystem (including all agricultural productivity), depend on sunlight and so cannot live underground?
Show threadBeldarak4d ago

@ELS @CubeRootOfTrue @David

I was more thinking about underground habitats so humans aren't constantly in the heat.

You'd still be growing plants on the surface and I guess you could also go there.

But your house, office buildings etc... would be at -1 / -2 / -3 floor levels to be easier to cool down.

You could also farm mushrooms underground rather than vegetables, if the surface truly became unwalkable, but that's like absolute post-apocalypse scenario, we won't be there to live it.

Show threadFelisCatus4d ago
@Beldarak @ELS @CubeRootOfTrue @David this reply reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the problem. What will kill most of us is not directly the heat. It will be the collapse of biodiversity, leading to a collapse of the food chain (as well as lack of freshwater). Moving in orbit or underground will not change anything about it.
Show threadeswillwalker4d ago
@FelisCatus @Beldarak @CubeRootOfTrue @David It’s frustrating how few techno-crats have any concept of the sciences of ecology, agronomy, or public health. It’s what leads them to fantasize that we can live and reproduce on Mars or in space ships.
Show threadBeldarak

@ELS @FelisCatus @CubeRootOfTrue @David

That or they know and don't care. Hard to say.

Jun 15 at 9:42pmWeb
Show threadDavid 3d ago

@Beldarak
That's my original point with the minister's comment.
Western oligarchies know. They're fine with culling the weakest and most vulnerable people. They've already started.

@ELS @FelisCatus @CubeRootOfTrue