RandAlThorTIL No Kings Protests were the 3rd Largest in US History
Cool. I just hope your leaders take the hint. Maybe now that they’re getting directly threatened they’ll show their true colours. Either they stand up for themselves as they see their colleagues start to get attacked (at events or in their own homes), or they cower and come to heel. (Sadly, I have little faith most politicians in most countries these days will do much if it’s not their own hides at risk.)
Incidentally, something weird is going on with that list. I’m not sure how the ordering works but much more important, it says only “500,000” for the protests over George Floyd even though one of the references says 15-26 million over the entire course of that movement.
henfredemarsI’m afraid this may not be enough. One who is so deep in their delusions isn’t so easily brought back to reality, if they ever can be.
This isn’t the first large nationwide protest of his second term and it won’t be the last. For instance, the Hands Off ones in April were number 6 on that list. They’re getting larger and there is already planning for the next nationwide ones. Or more broadly, here’s the cumulative number of protests including smaller ones too
WraithGearWithout huge media buy in, a billion people is just a number they throw out. I don’t see any change from the number one protest on the list. I don’t think protests are working, even as i still go to them.
Yeah I’m afraid the US and all its allies are marching straight into another set of wars and the consequences they’ll bring. Apparently we’re all the baddies now
Boomer Humor DoomergodThe protests didn’t raise eight figures of donations so they don’t care.
I was about to say the list was incomplete as several million attended the Iraq war protests, but it turns out that was global and only a few hundred k Americans bothered to protest the invasion of Iraq based on a lie.
The post 9/11 bloodthirsty hysteria, “you’re either with us or against us”, religious nationalism, and ignorant patriotism is what made me believe the US would become an authoritarian dictatorship in my lifetime. Great job me. I hate it.
A lot of people forget the shear bloodlust in the USA after 9/11 that lasted for years.
When people compare the Vietnam and Iraq Wars, a lot of people forget there was a large chunk of the country who were rabidly pro Iraq War while there wasn’t an equivalent base for the Vietnam War.
It felt like everyone was like you were either 1000% on board or you were casually on board cause you weren’t “into politics” but trying to find likeminded people who opposed it felt impossible to me. I was 16 when 9/11 happened and shortly after was when I stoped standing for the anthem or saluting the flag in the morning and I was the only kid in my highschool of 1,800 kids and wow I got SO MUCH hate for it
This is online discourse in general with Americans. Nuance is impossible, it’s all “you’re either with us or against us”, for example when discussing China. Doesn’t even have to be something political, just any charged argument at a point in time.
Must be a coincidence that Lemmy was much more relaxed and welcoming when there were fewer Americans here in the beginning, you could even read news about European countries, now all we get is American politics spam.
Doesn’t even have to be something political
Yeah, it does. Everything is political. I guarantee, you’ve never had an apolotical argument taken over by Americans, because there’s no such thing as an apolotical argument
“I liked the gameplay of Witcher 2 more than Witcher 3’s”
CDPR made the combat easier so the game would appeal to a wider audience and make more money. The Witcher games are getting worse because of capitalism. If money weren’t involved, the devs could focus on making a work with artistic value, including in the gameplay, rather than chasing mass appeal.
“I liked the gameplay of Witcher 2 more than Witcher 1’s”
Well that’s just the advancement of human collective knowledge and skill over time due to the ability of society to pass on knowledge and make decisions about the future. That’s pretty much the definition of politics. Group decision making.
Can’t help but upvote this, despite your erroneous ideas lol
The spike in nationalism was intense, and hasn’t really dropped back down to a reasonable baseline since.
I was 16 when 9/11 happened and I was a pretty tuned in kid who spoke up about the issues I had with it, how horrible the patriot act was, all sorts of things and I can absolutely attest the response was always extremely hostile and cutting, filled with personal attacks about how moronic I was, now naive and of course because I’m female I’m inherently too stupid to hold a conversation about this so just shout me down so I will shut my stupid girl mouth and sit down. I’ve never changed my mind, why would I? And you know what, I still get attacked in exactly the same ways but at least the “you’re a terrorist for not supporting the Iraq war” has died down
I was in college at that time and was a typical “centrist” and counter protested. I’ve changed at lot since then.
Congratulations on your evolution. I was pretty cringe around that era, too.
I think you may have misread the Wikipedia page. There were 300-400,000 in NYC alone.
I was in Boston and there were 10s of thousands, even though it was February and sleeting, SF had another 150-200k.
I think there was a sizable group in DC too.
That’s what I thought but those are the “official” estimates, which do strangely focus on NYC.
I guess we’re talking about a fascist-oligarch-owned MSM who profit from war and chaos so they had a vested interest to suppress the real opposition.
That was the first overt demonstration that American news outlets were captured by jingoist propaganda. But back then pointing out that media coverage differed from literal experienced reality got you labeled as a terrorist kook.
7 out of top 10 during Trump presidencies
Classic bad take
You can vote and protest, they’re not mutually exclusive
Stop trying to divide the left
not sure which 2 halves i am trying to divide, just concerned Trump won despite having record protests
Exactly. Theyre not mutually exclusive. There is a lnown issue with working class people not being able to take time off on tuesdays to go vote. If elections were saturdays, maybe there would be a better turn out.
I feel like this argument doesnt hold as much water as it used to with how easy it is to vote by mail or use early voting. At least in the 3 locations ive been for the last presidential election
Who said they were mutually exclusive?
Sunshine (she/her)You only have to vote once every 4 years. Do both.
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Two years in most states. Every year in some states.
If you’re only voting in the presidential election, then you are effectively giving Republicans your vote during midterms.
Absolutely vote in every election.
If there is a civic duty in a democracy, this is it.
I don't get the rankings. Seems like only earth day had more people.
ShadowBoy. They sure coulda made that more apparent. Seems like something to put more in parenthesis than a footnote.
Hopefully the people can push out maga eventually.
Literally all of these except number 23 and 31 are left wing protests.
Let that sink in 32/34 that’s over 94% of the biggest protests in the US were left wing.
We are the majority. Stop believing in the Reagenesque “silent majority” BS.
The majority of people, dont want oligarchs and conservative bigotry.
Then why is the government so completely dominated by the right if most politically active people are on what Americans call the left?
Because most Americans have knee-jerk reactions to labels as opposed to policies. Like how everyone supports all the protections Obamacare provides, but how they all want to get rid of Obamacare.
also voter suppression gerrymanderinng élite control of the media etc
My take is that there are a lot of Left people who won’t vote for anyone except a candidate they support 100%. Hilary Clinton should have destroyed Trump. Those people ignore the simple truth that any time any GOP gets elected the whole country moves to the right.
toomanypancakesYou’re right of course, the left is responsible for anything the right does. Would you care for a glass of soap?
Edit: Not only do they not understand burden of proof as a concept, they’re a pedophile. Don’t waste your time.
There are two sides. The Right and everyone else. The Right wins because they stay on topic and vote. Until the rest of us fall in line like they do, they’ll keep on winning. Show me where I’m wrong.
You’re wrong by blaming the fictional non voting left for all your woes. Don’t be stupid.
It’s very simple. 36% of people didn’t vote on average. What percent of those people are leftists? If you don’t have that information, then you’re making shit up and demanding other people prove it for you.
You’re saying I’m wrong, and not providing anything like actual information. Why don’t you give me some facts and figures to explain it?
Making stupid claims and then demanding proof they aren’t true is pretty weak
lol!
You are very funny!
And yes, I am laughing at you.
Laugh away, kiddy diddler.
So, instead of actually doing research to prove me wrong, you went through all my threads and found something you can take out of context?
That makes you even funnier!
There’s your tankie behavior.
There is an evil witch that lives underground in the Moon and who is mind-controlling non-Rightwing votes in the US so that they don’t vote. Show me were I’m wrong.
Donald Trump won the election in 2016 over Hilary Clinton. How much more evidence do you need that people should have done more to defeat Donald and the GOP?
That’s as much “evidence” for your original “two sides” theory as it is for my “witch in the Moon” theory.
Also you’ve moved the goalposts to a self-fullfilling and generic to the point of uselessness statement “people should have done more to defeat Donald and the GOP”.
That’s like saying that “all drivers in car crashes should have done more not to crash their cars”.
Well, true, but also about as worthless as “insights” go as “the sky is blue”.
Let’s turn it around.
What’s your plan? How do you propose to get Trump out? Be very specific.
Trump is a symptom, not the disease.
By worring so much about the puppet instead of the puppet masters, you’re playing into the hands of the handful of people who control the politics of the US and hence the US.
Go after the real power of the land: the ultra-wealthy.
A General Strike would be a good start.
lol! You demand specifics and plans, and then throw out two words. “General strike.”
Details, please. Who is the leader? What is the date? What are your demands? How are you going to handle invalids and homebound folks who need food and meds delivered? Schools open or close?
By exactly using the MAGA the technique of, after ranting about blaming everybody else but yourself about all maner of problems, “asking” for others to provide solutions only to crticize them when given them, you’ve just proved what I suspected, so thanks for that.
Whatever is the way to solve the US problems, it’s the very opposite of that “criticized everything and everybody shit” that you, EXACTLY LIKE THE FAR-RIGHT POPULISTS are doing.
Literally being a fucking rock does more towards solving the situation in the US than what you are doing.
Whether because you’re a sock-puppet or because you’re the ultimate useful idiot, you are part of the problem, not of the solution.
By exactly using the MAGA the technique of, after ranting about blaming everybody else but yourself about all maner of problems, “asking” for others to provide solutions only to criticize them when given them, you’ve just proved what I suspected, so thanks for that.
You realize you’re literally describing exactly what you did. You demanded details then couldn’t come up with anything but a pipe dream.
And if I’m doing what MAGA did, what is the problem? Patton was the general the Germans feared the most, because he fought exactly the way they did.
And I love the last line. If I am the problem, what is the solution? Again, give me a lot of details.
Things like who is going to organize this general strike?
You’re lying about what I wrote
Quote the exact words were I “blamed everybody” or even “asked for a solution”.
Once again you’re using a ploy straight out of the Fascist Manual of Argumentation: “When accused of something, accuse the other person of the same, lying if need be.”
From the Fascist Manual of Argumentation you so far have:
- “Made broad claims about how everybody else is responsible for societal problems without providing any evidence at all of those claims. Demand that other do the work of disproving it when you yourself didn’t do the work of trying to prove it”
- “When asked to back that theory with actual evidence, state a fact that is not logically linked to the theory you put forward, and hence cannot logically prove it”.
- “When pointed out that there is no logical link between that event and your theory, counter-attack by demanding the impossible those pointing it out (in this case a “specific and detailed plan” for the problems of America as if that was easy) and when they naturally cannot deliver the impossible, use that to go down some “I win” rant whilst continuing to avoid the original point they made”.
- “When they point out the nature of the argumentation ploys you’re using to avoid addressing the original points they made, LIE about what they wrote to claimed that it was THEY who actually did it”.
If you were arguing in good faith you would’ve either walked back on that theory, refined it some more, or tried to actually show there was a logical link between “Donald Trump winning the election in 2016 over Hilary Clinton” and “There are two sides. The Right and everyone else. The Right wins because they stay on topic and vote.”.
You did not. Instead you went for the “Demand the impossible and when the impossible is not delivered claim that it proves the other person is not wrong” ploy, same as the MAGAs do.
tl, dr