I have these two sentences stuck in my head these days:

A French minister: we need to prepare ourselves for a future when temperatures are 4°C higher.

A climate scientist: with a rise of 4°C above pre-industrial age, up to 90% of the world's population may die.

(edit: muting the post, it's going way beyond its intended audience, I'd like to be able to see notifications about other things. thanks you all for sharing)

#ClimateCrisis #Climate #ClimateEmergency

@David That's assuming 90% of the population sit idly by while the coastline moves inland. That won't happen

@CubeRootOfTrue @David

There is always the possibility to move underground too. Life will always find a path (not saying this is a path I want though :S)

@Beldarak @David people talk about habitats in orbit with nuclear power for growing plants, we should probably test this here, underground

#nuclearpower #survival

@CubeRootOfTrue According to https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

To feed 1 person for a year with veg, fruit, eggs, chicken, milk, wheat & grain you need ~2 acres of land

I was taught you also need a fallow field & you rotate this field each year

So say ~3 acres with ⅓ unused a year

You could use a shelving system to reduce the total footprint but that's still a fair amount of space & that's just 1 person with simple tastes doing all the work

No way is a billionaire doing that

@Beldarak @David

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Permaculturism
@staringatclouds @CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David it can be less if you remove farm animals from the equation.
If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares

We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.

Our World in Data
@bhasic @alemarcati @staringatclouds @Beldarak @David I see that data and think, if we did that, the population would quadruple
@CubeRootOfTrue @bhasic @staringatclouds @Beldarak @David I don't think so. It's not like it's lack of food that is the bottleneck preventing population to grow
@CubeRootOfTrue @bhasic @alemarcati @staringatclouds @Beldarak @David would it? And even if it did, how long would it take?
@bhasic @alemarcati @CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David And if we switched to eating yeast grown in vats we could probably use a fraction of that
@staringatclouds what do you think yeast grows on?
@temptoetiam Oh dead bodies, plant matter, any sugar it can find

@bhasic @alemarcati @staringatclouds @CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David

And modified home-brew EarthBox-style growing systems can give increased crop yields, with 3 harvests-per-year growing outddors, and 4-5 harvests-per-year indoors.

https://wickcuriosityshop.net/collection/plant-regulated-growing-system

Used globally, at current temperatures, they could increase growable land by ~40%.

Wick Curiosity Shop: Plant Regulated Growing System

@staringatclouds @Beldarak @David hmmm 2 acres underground with lots of grow lights; the nuclear reactor can be shared, we'll need more than one anyway, cracking seawater, etc

@CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David The lights don't last forever, equipment wears out, spares run out, reactors eventually burn all their fuel

So we'll need a scientific, industrial & even mining capability to keep things running

The climate isn't going to recover in a decade or two, if it ever does

People are going to be down there for lifetimes

We're effectively discussing building a "Generation Ship" either in a hole in the ground or in orbit

It's a huge task

@CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David I just had a look at some lifetime stats for large US nuclear reactors

These are currently certified for around 80 years of operation, so call it a century before major work is needed to give it another century

No idea how long a mini one is supposed to last but I doubt it's any longer

@CubeRootOfTrue @Beldarak @David The fuel rods seem to last about 5 years before they need replacing

They've used about 10% of their fuel in that time & it's possible to reprocess them to make new rods

But eventually you'll need new fuel rods

You don't just plug it in & go forever

Then of course there's what do you do with all the highly radioactive waste which you need to get out of your bunker, as far away as possible & not close enough to other waste that it causes a radiation hazard