This felt too valuable not to share. Braille-labeled maps of washrooms to help people find and use facilities in the washroom. Everyone deserves to get in, do their business, wash their hands, and get out in peace and safety.

This seems valuable for all public spaces.

#Blind #Accessibility

@cargot_robbie As a blind man pointed out a couple of days ago, he'd have to feel all around all the walls to locate the signs first, before being able to read any Braille on them.

@anne_twain @cargot_robbie not all people who could benefit from such signage are 100% blind. The contrast between the white wall and the black sign with white markings is pretty good, making it easier to find.

(this is also why the dots are in a contrast color, to make them easier to find)

@raboof @cargot_robbie And the 100% blind people just dont matter?

@anne_twain @raboof @cargot_robbie i don't think they meant it that way tbf.

Does make me wonder: what would be the solution to that? (Genuine question)

@thibaultmol

Have a standardised location for the signs, say on the door handle side pillar of the entrance.

@anne_twain @raboof @cargot_robbie

@monkeyben @thibaultmol @anne_twain @raboof @cargot_robbie

This was an interesting enough point to type into a search engine, so:

ISO 17049:2013 which stands for Accessible design -- Application of braille on signage, equipment and appliances

and

The Americans with Disabilities Act requires most permanent signs in buildings to have tactile (raised) letters, along with Braille printing

and

AU's National Construction Code - 2022
- S15C2 Location of braille and tactile signs

https://ncc.abcb.gov.au/editions/ncc-2022/adopted/volume-one/d-access-and-egress/15-braille-and-tactile-signs

... all cover the placement of braile signs.

These rules include provisions for making the signs well lit and high enough contrast to be located by those with some vision.

Locating doors themselves is covered under D4D9 Tactile indicators

Specification 15 Braille and tactile signs

NCC

@EndlessMason

Ahh, so there already are standards for placement 😊

@thibaultmol @anne_twain @raboof @cargot_robbie

@monkeyben It's such a good idea they already did it

@EndlessMason @monkeyben @thibaultmol @anne_twain @cargot_robbie very cool, thanks for digging that up!

I also like that the AU code and the ADA can be accessed freely online (https://www.access-board.gov/ada/guides/chapter-7-signs/), unlike ISO

U.S. Access Board - Chapter 7: Signs

The U.S. Access Board is a federal agency that promotes equality for people with disabilities through leadership in accessible design and the development of accessibility guidelines and standards for the built environment, transportation, communication, medical diagnostic equipment, and information technology.

@raboof
ISO is famously the standards org that says "everybody should obey our standards" but then tells people they can't read the standard doc.

@monkeyben @thibaultmol @anne_twain @cargot_robbie

@EndlessMason @raboof @monkeyben @thibaultmol @anne_twain @cargot_robbie
They can read it, it's just paywalled.
Even the standards that are effectively obsolete today, like ISO9660 (CD-ROM), sell for over 200 Euro.
@dec23k Sure, but I'm not willing to shell out €200 for the sake of a toot