Spencer BeswickWhite people today: the protesters in LA are hurting their own cause, they should be like MLK and the Civil Rights Movement!
Meanwhile, white people during the Civil Rights Movement:
Robin Barton@spencerbeswick Yes, but this narrative of violence became harder and harder to sell the longer they stuck with peaceful civil disobedience. In the end you are striving to change the minds of enough to allow change to happen. Remember women fought for the right to vote and got it when they convinced enough white men with beards to vote for it. Leveraging the political system takes time, courage, alliances and consistently refusing to take the government bait to use violence.
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VonKant@Robo105 @spencerbeswick I think the fact that women got the right to vote after a few bombs were placed and other few actually exploded gets forgotten way too often.
@VonKant @spencerbeswick I had not forgotten but ignored it as it failed as so often violence does. Those men in parliament didn't quail before a few bombs just as they didn't quail before the Irish uprising or in India. Both those places won when it was clear it was no longer socially or politically possible to keep the status quo. People are quick to advocate violence as it is emotionally attractive and offers a simple solution rather than a long path of alliances & protests
tony 🏳️⚧️ 🏴 🚴🧗🏻@Robo105 @VonKant @spencerbeswick people with ahistorical understandings of past events are also quick to dismiss violence with a broad brush.
Nelson Mandela and the ANC in South Africa are often credited with leading a peaceful revolution but if you read Mandela's autobiography he makes it very clear that after DECADES of peaceful protest leading nowhere, the ANC started to use more violent means like sabotage to put more pressure on the white government. It worked.
@Robo105 @VonKant @spencerbeswick boycotts from around the world also helped, which is why the US government loves trying (often succeeding) to make boycott illegal
@autonomousapps @VonKant @spencerbeswick I agree but the key is a focus narrative of what is to be achieved and pithy saying can project that to the public.
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@autonomousapps @VonKant @spencerbeswick It didn't work and would not have worked if there not been the collapse of communism and the growing sense in South Africa that apartheid was no longer socially acceptable. Remember, Nelson brave man that he was got released from prison by a white government. If that government had been supported like Israel is now and it had social support among whites it would not have happened. Nelson stated he want peace and democracy which was a powerful narrative
Fernando M. S. 🇵🇸@Robo105 @VonKant @spencerbeswick ok, but do the status quo change by itself? Or is there a challenge that forces the status quo change? If so, then what is the challenge in each of these cases?
@fmors @VonKant @spencerbeswick Great question. The status quo changes when a group develops a coherent message that shows why the present status quo must change and wins over adherents. I would suggest that a tightly focused 'follow the law/due process' and paint ICE and law-breaking hooligans and that the civil disobedience is to bring back democracy