James GleickJun 8

Protest is not illegal. Protesters are not illegals.

[Source: U.S. Constitution]

Show threadFeygele Ⓐ Ⓥ🏳️‍⚧️Jun 8
@gleick It’s important here to note that the National Guard at Kent state was a lawful deployment made by the Governor. The deployment of the National Guard in LA is an illegal deployment by the President, which violates Posse Comitatus.
Show threadAndreas KJun 8

@biplanepilot
Curious, what does this actually mean for the deployed national guard personal? If the order is illegal, and such basics should be clear to even the simple enlisted grades, then they are basically matching on California without orders?

Criminal raiders?
@gleick

Show threadFeygele Ⓐ Ⓥ🏳️‍⚧️Jun 8
@yacc143 @gleick *Theoretically* the leadership could face charges for their actions. In practice, we’ve seen what happened to the Jan 6 insurrectionists.
Show threadDieuJun 8
@biplanepilot @yacc143 @gleick I also guess the National Guard won't be personally held responsible for illegal actions if they were following orders?
Show threadSaxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺Jun 8
@hllizi @biplanepilot @yacc143 @gleick
The Neurenburg trials would suggest otherwise.
Show threadFeygele Ⓐ Ⓥ🏳️‍⚧️Jun 8
@saxicola @gleick @hllizi @yacc143 The Nuremberg trials were conducted by the allies, not Germany. This situation would be different, and presumably Trump will preemptively pardon everyone involved, like how Biden preemptively pardoned Fauci, as well as how Trump has pardoned the Jan 6 insurrectionists.
Show threadSaxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺Jun 8
@biplanepilot @gleick @hllizi @yacc143
Inded so, but the precident has been set under international law.
Show threadFeygele Ⓐ Ⓥ🏳️‍⚧️Jun 8

@saxicola @hllizi @yacc143 @gleick

Because international laws were violated by the Nazis. That’s not the case here *currently*. I’m very disturbed by this action, but I just don’t see convictions coming from it. I would be tremendously happy to be wrong. Truly.

Show threadSaxicola ✅ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇪🇺
@biplanepilot @hllizi @yacc143 @gleick
You are probably right.
Jun 8 at 11:07pmWeb
Show threadAndreas KJun 9

@saxicola
Please note, that even the famous "following orders is not an excuse" is not an invention of the Nuremberg trials or an American invention.

The military code of the Weimarer republic already had that rule and was formally valid for quite some time even in Nazi-Germany.

The issue that you face in the USA is how do you apply justice if a sizeable part of the population goes crazy and over to the dark side.

Even after an event @biplanepilot @hllizi @gleick

Show threadAndreas KJun 9

like the lost WWII, after 2-3 years the bloodlust was done and the practicalities of running a modern state without the professionals came too the front.

And suddenly the same doctors, the same civil servants and the same judges, as long they were not too prominent Nazis continued to run the country. And the denazification tribunals.

The need for experienced administrators might explain people did get away with less than a year for arson and
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Show threadAndreas KJun 9
@saxicola
kidnapping and crimes against humanity. But, sigh, the fact that justice system was full of Nazis explains probably notes in there denazification files that such crimes were committed honourably.
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