Hierarchy of Needs
@catsalad Jira can be ok if it is kept simple and well organized. But I'd avoid the other two if possible.
@BeamMeOut Teams sucks the most, for sure.

@catsalad @BeamMeOut

I don't really understand the Teams hate. It's like most MS products: it basically works and has a pile of annoying bugs. Chat, video calls, and so on basically work, and it's the only video calling app I've used that's actually good at sharing presentations in a way that works with accessibility tools and even just with different resolutions (due to some tight coupling between Teams and PowerPoint that probably should be subject to some antitrust scrutiny). Most of the alternatives to Teams are bad in different ways, some are bad in the same ways. It's significantly less bad for video calling than Zoom.

Outlook is far worse than Teams in almost every way (for example: after 30 years of people reporting that it can't properly quote emails in replies, it still can't properly quote emails in replies). Word and Excel are worse in many ways.

JIRA, in contrast, is a UI that is entirely designed to torture users. Everything is at least five clicks more than it would be in a good UI flow.

@david_chisnall @catsalad Yes, Teams are great if you're fully in the MS ecosystem. Run Windows, use Office etc. Office people like it and often prefer to anything else (Zoom, Webex, Skype for Business etc.). If not, it's not that great.
@BeamMeOut @david_chisnall @catsalad
No ms teams is crap. Do you want to copy more than few messages - nope... Even IRC is better as chat...

@FoxVK @BeamMeOut @david_chisnall @catsalad the company that I work for is going to migrate from Sharepoint to Google Workspace, so Teams will be replaced by Meet, and I dread the day

because:

  • Teams (if you are not using 3rd party conferencing hardware) has absolutely epic noise cancelling
  • Teams has automated captioning and transcripts that work really well (sure, it's not ideal, but it's great), and for someone with broken hearing like me this is a godsend
  • Teams video calling just works
  • the company is going to stay on Windows anyway and we cannot really do our jobs if we don't run Windows (I'm in localisation)

P. S. IRC is not better as a chat replacement for Teams because, by design, it has no persistence, zero fault tolerance, and no history playback unless you stick znc somewhere (and let's not mention media content)

@mia @FoxVK @david_chisnall @catsalad I got chance of using corporate Google Suite and had no issues with Meet. It actually worked better than anything else across all platforms, Win, Linux or Mac. It works on Chromium and Firefox based browsers. The noise cancelling is decent too and transcription works well (in english at least, there are not that many supported languages). What might be pain is transition from Outlook to Gmail. The replies, filters are quite different.

@BeamMeOut hmm I had numerous issues with Meet on Firefox when we tested it

and it was noticeably worse compared to Teams when parsing speech, very likely because our team is 90% ESL people with lots of cases of extremely weird pronunciation ahaha

also, Google Sheets is kind of… noticeably inferior to Excel (and if you ever encountered localisation, you probably know that it's all Excel worksheets all the way down)