weirdNone of these
All of these?
Not really, it’s a formatting language.
Yes, I’m fun at parties. In my head 😅
QubaXRA “Markup Language” to be precise. HyperText Markup Language.
Yea my parties are the best parties, too.
That’s the word, it did feel wrong with formatting!
We should party together sometimes! 😄
Man this question would sink me because of the misnomer that HTML is a programming language.
It’s basically gambling on the nerdiness of the question’s writer. Do they think HTML is a programming language? Do they know that people think it’s a programming language and trying to trap them? Do they know it’s not a programming language but also know most people would think it is one and so are using the common, loose definition of a programming language in order not to trap people?
My brain would melt
Mine wouldn’t.
It is a quiz, they know what they are talking about if they put the question in. And if they don’t, you get to call out the quiz master for being wrong.
But I’d rather have the million dollars than the satisfaction of calling out the show for being wrong.
Weak sauce. A man has to have principles!
I would challenge the question right there and demand an expert counsel to explain why HyperTextMarkupLanguage is classified as a programming language when it’s not even Turing complete. It’s a markup language. Security would have to drag me, I’d die on the specificity hill.
Yeah I’d be so mad if I was wrong for saying none.
If the question writer was aware, they would have formulated the question differently. It’s just not clear-cut whether HTML is a programming language or not, so you wouldn’t be quizzing their knowledge, but rather just whether they hold the same opinion as you. Or whether they meta-gamed correctly. Neither of which make for a fun show…
I would loudly go on the record for my reasoning that Hypertext Markup Language is not Turing Complete, and therefore fails to be a programming language by the only academic and theoretical definition that matters.
They already are going to award me “lawyer up” money, so I’ll come after them for damages later if B is the "right’ answer.
itslilithwrong again! CSS is turing complete, and HTML can include inline CSS, so you can implement a Turing machine in HTML only (without external .js files)
It can also include inline JS. HTML alone cannot be turing complete, but HTML+CSS is.
CSS can be included as a style property without requiring the script/style tag though.
Those are still two different languages. HTML isn’t an umbrella term for HTML+CSS in any form.
Same goes for JS, for example the onclick attribute.
Very good point, I forgot that was an option.
I can write a .ini code where a value of a key is a binary that the interpreter runs. Are ini files a programming language? Hell no, and neither is html.
Is R a compiled programming language because several of its built in functions run compiled C code? No.
The point in that case would be that while not intended it could be used as a programming language. The R example seems unrelated. Every language must run compiled code at one point or else the CPU wouldn’t know what to do.
How is Hyper Text Markup Language not a programming language? Now JavaScript and CSS are arcane rituals, but html is well behaved.
How is it a programming language? It’s a markup language. There’s no logic, variables or any way to manipulate data.
It’s right there in the name, but then there’s CFML, which is unpopular, but it definitely features logic, variables, and data manipulation.
CFML walks the line, but it exists to make HTML in a programmatic way, and be very approachable to non-programmers. It’s not really a markup language, it’s a programming language disguised as markup.
Can you write a program in HTML?
It is in the name. It is a markup language, not a programming/scripting language.
Don’t worry. They interview you before these shows. If you’re at all tech savvy then they would never ask you this question. They want you to be stumped by the question for legitimate reasons, not to loudly protest that you’ve been cheated by a bad question.
What really has my brain in a knot is: Does option “D: None of these” include or exclude option D?
This statement is false.
That’s why it should be “none of the above”. And if there’s a “all of the above”, it must come right before the “none of the above”.
lnxtx (xe/xem/xyr)Or address them:
Either* A, B, C;
Gutek8134Is only A supposed to be a pointer?
Asking the real questions.
They’re not above. One of them is to the left.
It’s clearly not the US version, so we should assume this is a translation error for the “none of these” instead of “none of the above” perhaps.
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 I don’t even know why it wouldn’t/shouldn’t be considered a programming language. It’s a language, and it’s used to code instructions for something… What more does it need?
Venus_ZiegenfalleWhen I tell you it’s gonna sound obvious but it’s because you don’t use it to write programs. It’s a formatting tool more than anything.
HTML doesn’t have IF or loops. It’s just formatting text.
_cnt0Do you program a document in Word?
- macros excluded
What about Excel? First reply I got said it has to make programs, right? I can make a Tetris clone in Excel. 🤣
macros excluded
We aren’t talking about Excel, but about Word.
We do that to explain that HTML is nothing more than to display text in a certain layout, just like a Word document. The only difference is that Word is designed to be printed, while HTML is designed to display on a website.
Also, exclude VBA as well as macros. VBA is a programming language.
Excel has conditional logic, HTML does not
Well, you can’t make Tetris in HTML without including some other language that has loops and variables.
I’m also not sure if you can do it in Excel without using VBA, which is a programming language. Excel doesn’t do circular logic in the document sheets.
Anyway the issue or joke is the lack of definition of “programming”.
HTML is a text encoding system. It’s not that different form something like the Morse code. It’s only instructions for how to decipher a series of codes. It takes input and presents it as an output, starting from the beginning and working its way to the end.
In my very unofficial opinion, a “program” is something that is able to “run” by itself, so that the code itself has instructions for which part of the code to run.
If you decipher a morse code, it doesn’t suddenly have instructions that force you to go backwards in the code and decipher from there or to jump to different sections. The text output might tell you to do so, but if you follow the text, then you’re doing something else than deciphering morse code.
HTML works the same. It start from the top and interprets its way down. It can have some conditional statements, but nothing that will make it go backwards and rerun the same instructions again.
The interpretation is of course more advanced than Morse code and it can call other languages to do stuff, so HTML is basically a document describing a job procedure in that way. The individual jobs can be reoccurring tasks, but the document itself isn’t.
So in my opinion it’s not “running” anything. It’s just a document being printed on screen.
I’ll admit that “one-shot” programs are a thing, and documents with variables do exist, so it’s not clear cut. A programming language should be capable of those things though, and HTML isn’t one on its own.
Excel formulas have become Turing complete with the LAMBDA addition.
Good to know.
It seems kind of half assed though.
I’ve only used it briefly to access the filesystem. Having to paste code into the reference field in the name manager is a special kind of masochistic practice.
It’s a huge pain, especially considering selection shortcuts are overwritten.
I dont work with Excel anymore, but there are python scripts on github to help with lamba management via export/import.
I dont work with Excel anymore, but there are python scripts on github to help with lamba management via export/import.
jimmuxSimon Peyton Jones is about as big an expert on programming languages as you can get, and he’s on the record as saying Excel is a functional programming language.
Well yeah if excel was a language it would certainly qualify
Html does not contain instructions, just well ordered data. “schematics” if you may.
With a programming language you tell a computer what to do. With a markup language, which HTML is, you tell a computer what to show. Much different.
You wouldn’t want to mix them up. The precise distinction is what the web makes so beautifully scalable.
Can someone clarify what the answer should be and what was the answer on the show?
There is a running joke that some people falsely consider HTML a programming language which it is not. So it’s D. I didn’t watch the show but I assume that’s it and the joke is that the audience’s majority took alien language
Interestingly C and D are both programming languages. That is, there is a programming languages called C and another, D.
I’ll see myself out…
Trying to remember from automata theory, does the empty set accept an empty grammar?
Like how in some languages an empty source file is valid? So then “none” is a programming language with an empty language grammar?
Yes, C is alien language pretty often. The other half it is wizardry.
A and B are also programming languages. A is an APL implementation and B is a precursor of C.
aplwiki.com/wiki/A en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language)
It’s right there in the name: it’s a markup language. Hyper Text Markup Language. HTML.
That’s the etymological fallacy. The name itself doesn’t determine the meaning. According to that logic, python isn’t a programming language either but a snake
Ok, but hear me out. Have you seen most Python code?