Null User ObjectWhy incels take the “Blackpill”—and why we should care
passwordforgetterThe prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) truthfully described the problem of inceldom:
“There are incels who were born that way, and there are incels who have been made incels by others—and there are those who choose to live like incels for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” Jesus identifies three types of “incels” here: natural incels (“born that way”), forced incels (“made incels by others”), and voluntary incels (“those who choose”).
Truecels, or the truest incels, are born with facial deformities such as lopsided faces or eyes that are too close together or too far apart… but most incels today have been created by man. It’s just not possible to buy a house and have 3-4 children anymore, and most women aren’t interested in it. If you’re a man in your 20s and you’ve got good income from a job, and cheap rent somehow, then you’ll likely have to wait until your mid-thirties until all the women have got the careers and promotions that they want. Then they will “settle”.
It’s almost as if our society is designed to create more incels. Personally I am a volcel. Society is a cruel joke and I’d rather become an orthodox priest, than work 12 hours a day in a busy warehouse, driving forklifts or carrying timber. Sometimes I question why I bother contributing to society.
Fuck jesus, and fuck you for following that fictional loser.
“Jesus identifies three types of “incels” here: natural incels (“born that way”), forced incels (“made incels by others”), and voluntary incels (“those who choose”).”
That’s not a thing. You’re just full of shit. You can’t even tell reality from this bullshit religious fiction.
That’s why you’re a voluntary celibate. Your religion talked you into devoting your life to them. Which makes you a giant fucking loser. Because everything you dedicated your life to is just stupid religious hate fiction.
I’m not religious and I’ve never been a member of any church. I’m quoting Matthew 19:12, it says eunuch but in modern language it should say incel.
LibbFuck jesus, and fuck you for following that fictional loser.
That’s not a thing. You’re just full of shit. You can’t even tell reality from this bullshit religious fiction.
That’s why you’re a voluntary celibate. Your religion talked you into devoting your life to them. Which makes you a giant fucking loser. Because everything you dedicated your life to is just stupid religious hate fiction.
I don’t know who is full of what or who hates who around here, but reading your comment I realize I would not like to be filled by what you seem to be so full of yourself it’s pouring out of your mouth every other word.
(Saying that as a non-religious person myself and as someone that has been happily living with his wife for the last 25+ years and counting, I mention it in case this helps you spare some insults but I doubt it will change a thing)
Jesus dude you stepped right into that troll pie
you stepped into post humor
Maybe I’m just old and lame but I don’t actually understand what you’re saying lol
Kruh MasterIncels are a product of the Internet. Before that, we had winners and losers, and most losers weren’t that way on purpose.
I’m ugly af and I’ve had plenty of action over the years. Looks aren’t everything, bro. Be funny. Have interesting hobbies. Be deserving of respect through your own actions. Can’t really stress that last one enough.
You get what you give! When it comes to relationships, it often is that simple. It’s not always that simple, and yes being “Conventionally attractive” and being tall and such definitely gives you an advantage. But ultimately, if you’re a decent person who respects others, you’re going to do just fine socially.
Their first taste of incelism, was from " this pickup artist" the specially toxic ones that think women are slutty, and or the artists stalks them on camera. Now it’s alpha male bs
Ah yes, the books on how to pick up women probably started this nonsense.
then switch to online “videos” which jumpstarted the whole saga. i happen to overhear the obnoxious videos my bro plays on end for hours
Neet incel detected
Man there’s some serious trolling going on here
How does not working, uh, work? Like, pretty soon after I graduated I had to have a job to pay for food and housing and a car. If I didn’t I’d be homeless. Are NEETs all homeless?
They generally live with family.
So what’s the plan when family can no longer support them? At a certain point parents can no longer support adult children.
Sometimes they have to if someone is genuinely disabled. People have made a lot of money making these people mentally fucked.
Isn’t that kinda like red pilled too, most of then are probably not working either. I think some incels are a combination of red and black pilled.
Well, everybody in the manosphere is a toxic idiot/asshole, no matter what particular brand of stupidity they follow. It does feel very similar to religion, though. Some sects might be more violent, but they all follow some made-up shit.
It is semi-religious in that every single head in the “manosphere” is just a leader of a cult of personality.
It may be true of humanity in general, but it’s definitely true of Americans that they just love themselves a good cult.
So where do we meet the devotees in the middle to try to deprogram them?
It won’t work, as long as these right wing grifters designed to draw in incels to their circles. It seems even if they get married somehow it doesn’t solve their issues, as long as the grifters convince them otherwise
We need a new Judo craze in America.
What happens when you do Judo?
You become confident, and typically very humble. You also get fit AF.
What happens to guys who are confident, humble, and fit AF? They are viewed positively by women.
It’s hard work but very fun. You do need decent health insurance though because it’s easy to get injured. The younger you are when you begin, the easier it is.
You can do BJJ instead but that’s way more expensive and not always so humble.
peregrin5I took kung fu as a teen and I remember my teachers telling me a story about how the grandmaster essentially beat up a homeless person for asking for money.
I didn’t understand the purpose of them telling me the story since it just made me think the grandmaster sounds like a dick.
Oh yeah confidence by physical appearance, the best kind of confidence… Let’s hook up him in modern society, maybe we should teach him that there exist plastic surgery too…
Confidence and being humble starts when you accept yourself aa you are and you value that. The hyper fixation of the current state of society of creating gym bros is the opposite.
The only thing about judo is the Zen part, that most of the centers don’t teach. Because they are hyper fixated on creating gym bros.
Someone that bases his confidences on what he does is not confidence. Confidence is a self appreciation and it does not depend on what you do.
Society is fucked up if the tip for helping young boy to be confident is to send them all to do martial arts. And I’m especially talking about western martial arts that deviate so much from the original meaning that they have in China or Japan.
Tell me you’ve never been to a judo class without telling me you’ve never been to a judo class.
I’ve been to judo class. All we did was cardio to the limit most of the time and 10 min of practicing movements. It looked like we were training for an ironman.
Maybe your place is different. My experience is that most martial arts train for self defense and not for self body control.
What happens when you do Judo?
You get brain damage from getting kicked in the head all day and then you become more misogynistic, more violent and generally more right wing as a result. Unless you know of a way to pit these golems against incels and get rid of the problem that way I’m pretty sure we are going to need a more general and far reaching approach than Judo.
there are no kicks or punches in judo though
Oh yeah, I was thinking of taekwondo
Lol, there’s already an obsession with martial arts in America. I don’t think having more people with Joe Rogan brain running around is going to help anyone.
Yeah but they’re not talking about getting ripped and doing steroids and shit, but taking classes from an expert.
And I imagine Joe Rogan didn’t start his career by immediately getting ripped and doing steroids.
I just don’t really think something as simple as taking judo classes is really going to do much to tackle a problem that likely started at the socioeconomic scale.
A large part of conservative propaganda is telling individuals that cleaning their room or working out will solve their problems. When in reality the problems are much more complex and likely systemic in nature.
I just don’t really think something as simple as taking judo classes is really going to do much to tackle a problem that likely started at the socioeconomic scale.
I think a role model of positive masculinity is a good place to start.
think a role model of positive masculinity is a good place to start.
Right, but what about being a judo instructor makes you automatically a positive masculine role model? Steven Seagal instructs aikido an even less aggressive martial arts and he’s a giant piece of shit.
Nothing automatically makes someone a good role model obviously, but going through a program like Judo teaches you a lot of things like being humble.
I’d actually contrast that to supposedly softer martial arts like aikido where you don’t actually train with resistance and therefore don’t get that humbling effect that I was talking about.
I think you can experience some humbling events, but teaching people to be humble isn’t exactly the goal of any of the martial arts. Lots of people just end up learning how to be more effective at violence. I used to do some amateur boxing, and I wouldn’t really claim a lot of the guys I boxed with to be especially humble. Lots of contact sports has a lot of ego involved in it.
We need a new globbin craze in America!
(I’m not saying this at all because I am the head of my local globblenoobin or because I’m a globbin enthusiast that thinks the solution to everything as everyone should be globbin like me.)
What happens when you do globbin?
You become confident, wise, and typically very humble. You also become lit AF.
What happens to guys who are confident, wise, and lit AF? They are viewed positively by women.
It’s very hard work but very fun. All you require is fifty thousand kopecks and a note from your local beetlebobbin. The younger you start your globbin journey the better, because it’s easier to become the head of a local globblenoobin if you start early!
You can always do glubinobin instead, but it’ll never be as good as the most highest esteemed globbin!!!
You can just say smoke weed.
Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.
Hermit_LailokenFundamentalist religion is at the top of the toxic culture, and it has been around since before the incel term.
DandomRudeUsually, it’s just another term for the same thing, I would say.
EldritchAnyone offering easy answers to complex questions should be suspect. And that does largely incriminate all religious groups around the world. They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies. But unfortunately the mindset that latches on to those things, idealogues; are the danger. Even if the ideology themselves aren’t necessarily.
They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies.
Sometimes they are so conditioned that they don’t even think of their bigotry as bigotry.
I think organized religion fills their heads with problematic ideas about gender roles.
Heh, while religion isn’t required for that. It’s impossible to argue that it doesn’t help with it. Putting faith in anything and turning off critical thinking is always a recipe for disaster.
Pretty sure the old testament gives wives more authority in the community and in the household than what our current government is aiming for.
Fucking hell there are instructions for abortifactants in the OT
Don’t pin this on religion, this is purely the bias of petty men coloring their interpretations.
We had an easy answer - a decent paying job that offered a decent lifestyle and a hope for a better future but the rich took it away.
FenrirIIIAnd most parents are too lazy or too tired to police their children
The kids are also at school half the day or more, we’re trying to teach and reinforce critical thinking as much as possible with our son. And I’m trying to show him that there are lots of ways to solve problems when examples arise.
But I’m also a dad that both fixes the cars and cooks the dinners and solders the electronics and sows on the buttons. He’s a smart kid, and a contrarian like his folks, so I hope he’s gonna be ok.
lol no one raises kids these days, they leave that to youtube
I don’t think that raising kids was ever easy.
DefederateLemmyMlI think the point is that parents have less influence than ever when kids are getting their values from online communities.
flickerIf I choose to have children, they’ll be home-schooled, and their internet use will be entirely supervised until they’re older. None of this, hand-a-toddler-a-tablet nonsense.
Sooooo… when are we gonna admit that men’s mental health is unfortunaly heavily tied to their career prospects?
No, not yet?
Okay I’ll keep waiting.
sigh
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It’s capitalism.
Men’s well being wouldn’t be tied to career prospects if it weren’t for the rat race we are all brainwashed into since birth that is capitalism.
You have worth as a human beyond your capacity to produce profit.
Yeah and the reason young men are finding it hard to have real life friends and end up on uncle forums is because we lost most of our “third spaces” thanks to them not making money and shutting down or being underfunded or closed if they were publicly owned.
Ontop of this the constant algorithms that push specific topics to people over and over due to it keeping them on the platform and therefore generates income.
It does feel like 75% of this problem could be fixed by stopping corporate greed and fixing our local communities as whole.
we lost most of our “third spaces” thanks to them not making money and shutting down or being underfunded or closed if they were publicly owned.
And also shut down by female supremacist activists.
A gym started up last decade in my town, as a men’s only gym. A place for guys to come and exercise without distraction.
It got sued within the year by a woman who tried to join. It went to court. Company ran out of money before the court case closed, went bankrupt and had to close.
The case proceeded to completion, the woman won, and all the women’s groups in the area crowed about their phyrric “victory” over misogyny.
There are three women’s-only gyms in town, six in the greater geographical region. None of these ever have men demanding to become members.
This happens eventually to all “men’s spaces” that exist long enough: they are forced to no longer be “men’s spaces”, because being a “man’s space” is misogynistic.
Women’s spaces? Totally fine. Not misandric in the least.
See how “equality” works?
The irony of this reply about this subject…
The lack of awareness is what really gets me on this one. It’s almost unbelievable