@tofugolem

But, we vilify people for having discussions with the "right". There was a call to fediblock an entire instance because one of their moderators wrote something on an entirely different site.

If you are willing to have dinner with a Nazi, that makes you a Nazi, right? No matter what you believe or how you behave.

At the end of the day, you will be excluded for who you include, it is unavoidable. But, you might not be included for who you exclude -- but if being included is something you want, excluding "the right" people might get you there.

@BoydStephenSmithJr
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
1 × -1 = -1

Intolerance of intolerance is tolerance
-1 × -1 = 1

@BoydStephenSmithJr
And here we go. The part where you claim that racists are the real victims here.

What part of my previous post did you fail to grasp?

Inclusion CANNOT include those who are intolerant. If you do, you become intolerant yourself. This is not a contradiction; it is basic logic, and I explained why in the previous post that went straight over your head.

@tofugolem I'm just claiming the picture in the OP can be taken either way. Everyone wants to exclude somebody, and people that try to include everybody get excluded *because* the include everybody.

I'm saying the image is a bad post, and a ambiguous sentiment if it has any meaning at all.

I agree that we cannot give political power to the intolerant and that we should strive to remove any political power they do have.

I think that they do still deserve human rights: food, shelter, health care, etc. Tho, some people do disagree with that. I think dehumanization is never okay; it's the tool of the oppressor.

@BoydStephenSmithJr
Yes, and in so doing, you are claiming that failing to tolerate the intolerant is somehow intolerant.

That is where your argument fails.

Do you need me to explain why it fails again? I can do that if you think it will help, because you are obviously struggling with this.

Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.
Tolerance of intolerance is not tolerance.