I’m on a #kdrama pilgrimage today, visiting the noodle shop from Nevertheless and most importantly, the railway crossing from #MyMister, a leading character in the show. This is a super cute and trendy area with upscale cafés and restaurants side by side with very old and tiny houses and businesses.

@EllenInEdmonton Hmm, I should pick Nevertheless back up. Just looked like it was going places that hurt last time

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@joakimfors
I really liked Nevertheless and I recently rewatched it. It approaches relationships a lot differently than most k-dramas. More realistic, in my opinion. And the Art School environment was interesting.
@EllenInEdmonton Yes, only 1.5 eps in but that's the vibe I'm getting. Also why it is a bit scary as it's unpredictable. Quite high, but fragile, tension already.
@joakimfors
Agreed. A lot of folks have pointed out that you are only inside her head for the show. Personally, I find his character super interesting. And attractive, obviously. Song Kang has taken on a pretty wide range of characters in his work and he nails them all. It was amazing that Sweet Home (especially season 2) was just appallingly bad but any scene that included him just glowed. Excited for his military service to be completed.
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@EllenInEdmonton @joakimfors I enjoyed the Japanese version of Nevertheless, too.
@JillsJoy @EllenInEdmonton @joakimfors I liked the Japanese version for the styling; scenery, clothes etc was all amazing. Story wise the #kdrama wins for me. I liked how rounded the characters were, and eg. how the ML always asked for consent etc while everyone was messing up just like you do at that age.

@mel @JillsJoy @EllenInEdmonton Even though there is tension it's still very relaxed and free from the most formulaic stuff. Nice. Nabi is just stuck in her own preconceptions/trauma/societal expectations.

I'm actually a bit more interested in the Sol/Ji Wan ship as that is a lot more complicated/sensitive.

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Nabi falling asleep while camping… just accept that you're 2ML bro.  

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Rolling up in the PPL Maserati you just received as you do. Turning up the pressure. Awkward bro roadtrip to the fairs.  

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Everything and everyone blowing up now.  

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BTW Bit Na (Hye Ji) looks like STAYC Yoon

Sol/Ji Wan 😭 화이팅

… aaand 🦋 cliffhanger

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IJBOL, said Bit Na looks like STAYC Yoon and now she’s in a bar where ASAP is playing in the background   

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Seol Ah always causing trouble. At least JiSol is on the right track.

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Bit Na is a riot. The desperation.  

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… well that's one ship hoisting sails. A few more to go. Some people better hurry t f up to get their stuff in order, only 1 ep to go.

… starting to recognize this city wall.

… yellow umbrella time?!

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YES! ☔

Well… ok then.  

Writer-nims causing trouble again. Suspect ep 10 is going to be complicated.

… haven't seen Mr White Truck yet either.  

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Yes, Jae Eon, you should have listened to Gyu Hyeon and stopped playing.

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Hmm, is JiSol confirmed sailing too?

… and Bit Na is D E D HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Confirmed, JiSol is the cutest… BitHyeon not far behind. Needed those couples to hold the angst team at bay.  

A bit curious if KPam and KJim in the KOffice are going anywhere too.

The sculpture got hit by the ghost of the white truck.

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Seems like Mr Noodle is back in the friend zone. KPam&KJim are basically married, just that no one has told them yet.

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Well, everything is sailing.

Would have liked the ending resolved just a tiny bit differently. Felt the later part of the drama was carried by the other couples.

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@joakimfors the girl couple was so adorable 🥹
@JillsJoy Totally; Best chemistry, most natural, believable storyline, softest. Carried the later half with assistance from Bit Na who was hilarious.
@joakimfors Yes. I'm not fond of the #Kdrama custom of waiting until the last 5 minutes of the final episode to put couples back together. It isn't very satisfying. But I loved their teamwork completing her final project.

@EllenInEdmonton Yeah, it's quite lazy. A lot of the time preceded by some unnecessarily dramatic trivial misunderstanding just to stretch the episodes.

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Pinging in @mel as I understood they have thoughts on the complete show

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Aaaanywhooo, after having slept on this and digested it a bit my crazy wild delulu theory is that the real main leads are Sol and Ji Wan. Nabi and Jae Eon are just a really elaborate cover to get past the censors/prejudice. 1/n

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@EllenInEdmonton @mel

They went wild and free with the initial decoy mains to make room for the more "controversial" actual main couple. When the audience has been lulled into a false sense of security in the first half the fake mains get a generic storyline and the actual story can develop beautifully.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.  2/2 (?)

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@EllenInEdmonton @mel IJBOL, reading the intertubes it seems like I'm far from the only one with the same observations. Damn, this* ship has a huge fanclub.  

*) SolJiwan

@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton Ha! My main point was that a lot of peeps say that the main OTP relationship is toxic, where to me it seems like something that happens a lot nowadays, eg. a fear of labeling what you have, trying to be poly (which is different than one-sided wanting to be 'free' as in this one) and other experimenting, and where the ML here at least is very open about what he wants and she can stop it anytime. (All newer to Korea than EU of course!)
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton But besides that, I am there with you that all relationships in this series where about that same point: young people who want to do things differently, and are all trying to find the type of relationship that fits best. So it is not so much about the first OTP, and it would have been better if they had not spend so much time on them. However, the 1ML was interesting, yes.
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton (I mean, I am there with you that the others were more interesting, I came up with the theme I mention above myself of course!) And the girls are lovely as a pair and we need more GL in dramaland!
@mel @joakimfors
I think OTP is One True Pairing, which I don't think this show conveys. Both leads had other relationships and are still unclear about what they want for themselves. Even though they both said they didn't want to date, they were pretty exclusive with each other during the hot phase of their relationship. They were. very considerate towards each other. And then, she decided she wanted something different. In any relationship, that can happen.
@EllenInEdmonton @joakimfors You are right, OTP is just short and sweet to discribe the first pairing, is there another way to do so in #kdrama short hand? 🤔😇
@EllenInEdmonton @mel I interpreted it like she really did want it (first half rel) but imposed limits on herself based on preconceptions, misdirected respect, societal demands and past traumas. (that's a pile and a half 😅). Jae Eon was basically hooked from the start (confirmed later) but didn't do much in clearing things up. Hot-phase they were basically dating but she didn't want to go public even though I think Jae Eon wouldn't have had any problem with that despite the image

@EllenInEdmonton @mel I don't really know where I'm going with this train of thought. Perhaps it's more a rejection and criticism of societies that create such rigid artificial rules that make persons forsake good things. 😅

*feeling rebellious against norms*

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@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton Not entirely her fault, the mess, right? He also did not want to date bc he did not like the concept, he did not want to label what they had... And wasn't he showing his butterflies to other girls as well?

And on another level: a bit rebellious is always good 😄

@mel @EllenInEdmonton Yeah, he for sure didn't help by being vague and mysterious. But during the not-dating-dating phase he was committed IIRC.

I don't think he himself actually said that he would not date, only other people told Nabi that. Though there was a brief exchange where that could be implied though at the same time not.

(Don't know how much was lost in translation either, might be more clear in Korean)

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@mel @joakimfors
They both were quite prickly, which made this a much more interesting romance, IMHO. His relationship (or lack thereof) with his mother and her relationship with her mom and stepfather(?) were just touched on, but clearly gave them both trust issues.

@EllenInEdmonton @mel What I'm struggling a bit with figuring out is why he didn't tell Nabi that Seolah had lied to her. It felt like he was going to until he saw Nabi with 2ML in the village. He didn't give up, just chose the hard way… why?

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@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton bc he felt he did not deserve it? As Ellen said, they both had issues. It was a bit weird,, but IRL people don't say all the right things they should say in order to resolve things either. Just as annoying as #kdrama s where people don't just open up to resolve things, are those where they explain there state of being in perfect monologues, more aimed at the audience than at the receiving person
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton (and he wanted to be a free spirit)
@mel @EllenInEdmonton Yeah, guess it was in character even though hope springs eternal. 
@mel @EllenInEdmonton Agreed. Though I don't know about the open/poly stuff. It was perhaps implied but more as a misdirection than confirmed. I didn't find it toxic, just frustrating but in an understandable way. At least in the first half. Where it fell apart was when they abandoned the somewhat unique story line of the main couple and did the love tringle with childhood friend trope. I felt the writers had enough setup to explore the insecurities and hangups of the mains as is
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton 💯 yes! However, the tension while playing that game on the field trip was worth bringing in an old flame, hahaha
@mel @EllenInEdmonton Haha, yes, that whole setup was really explosive. At least we got a JiSol confession (setup) out of it.
@mel @EllenInEdmonton It's OK to throw in a 2ML to spice things up if it's done well but dragging it out is just frustrating.
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton yes, it was. Just like the first half of the finale was grrrrr....

@mel @EllenInEdmonton Yeah, they coould perhaps have dumped the 2ML after the field trip and done a longer, not so catastrophically forced, mishap to allow the to work things out more naturally… like the start of the show.

But by then my focus was on the two other couples… guess I'm more frustrated that the mains stole screen time from them 😅

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@mel @EllenInEdmonton … actually. During the filed trip it was Do Yeon (nephew?) who brought most of the spice 
@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton the poly is just something that a lot of younger people around me are having a lot of trouble with, with all the misunderstandings and hurt as in this series. Therefore the ending with ; 'lets just start over in a boring dating kind of way' actually made sense to me, haha.

@mel @EllenInEdmonton OK, I'm a bit out of the loop to know what's actually going on IRL  

But I see your point. Misunderstandings/miscommunication is always the core problem. I find dramas where they clear things up quickly really refreshing.

@joakimfors @EllenInEdmonton I'm as well 😃 My uni of the arts days were in the nineties! But the youngsters tell me it is a mess to navigate....
@mel @EllenInEdmonton 1ML could perhaps have cleared up Seol Ah's lie but chose not to. Instead gambled on winning her over the hard way? Didn't really understand the reasoning there. Would at least have liked to see him reach out and admit to wanting her back in the penultimate scene instead of having Nabi doing the work.
@joakimfors @mel
IMHO, he showed his feelings fairly clearly in the way that he treated her so kindly. There was the borderline toxic scene where he came over drunk and grabbed her arm. They both were awkward and unable/unwilling to clarify their feelings to themselves, never mind earh other.
To me, this is part of what makes this drama special. It motivates us to analyze and discuss, much more than most shows.
And I thought that all of the relationships were interesting.

@joakimfors @mel @EllenInEdmonton

It's been a while since I watched, but I don't think he knew (at least for a while) that Seol Ah lied to Nabi.

I think the triangle is a great way to contrast a socially acceptable "normal" relationship that would be pretty guaranteed vs. taking a chance on something that doesn't meet society's expectations.

Will she stick with convention or take a risk? IMHO, this is one triangle that had a purpose besides jealousy.

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@whoosh @mel @EllenInEdmonton He didn't know at first but Seolah told him later that she'd lied to Nabi and he could have chosen to try to explain/fix things then but instead it turned into some kind of game/one-upmanship. Which I guess was in character but very predictable.

Yeah, I somewhat understand the purpose of this triangle but it felt like it added another layer of complications when they already had more esoteric dilemmas set up, ready to explore

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@joakimfors @[email protected] @EllenInEdmonton He stubbernly tried to be non-conventional and felt he was right, which he regretted later. Fixing this was hard. I actually went along with this, and imho this triangle was more realistic than the #jdrama version triangle.
@joakimfors @whoosh @mel @EllenInEdmonton This is something I keep seeing, and it keeps frustrating me. In general, I think wide parts of literature and film would become obsolete if the trope "protagonists do not talk to each other to resolve their problems" would be taken away from the writer (and that might be good).
But this is worse: The one who would need to talk fully understands that there was a misunderstanding, and where, and only needs to explain it. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Such setups drive me mad.
@sbi @joakimfors @[email protected] @EllenInEdmonton Yeah, although too neatly done conversations full of wisdom, perfectly structured etc are also annoying. I would never be able to breakup with a full narrative about the why and how etc