SomeonelolThe term carrot and stick doesn't sit well with me. If you hit a donkey with a stick then it's likely it won't trust you enough to accept a carrot later.
over_cloxYou don’t hit the donkey with the stick silly! 😂🤣
You sit on the donkey and use the stick like a fishing pole. Dangle the carrot in front of the donkey’s face with a string, and the donkey will walk in whichever direction you guide it.
TranquilTurbulencePro tip: you can also ride a pig that way.
Don’t talk about your mom like that.
FlaxIn Minecraft
While this is definitely a thing from cartoons, the carrot/stick thing is absolutely referring to hitting the donkey. The whole point is punishment vs reward…
Well, seeing as how I grew up on a horse ranch, I can totally confirm the ‘cartoon logic’ you speak of is absolutely real, and is used to help train at least some donkeys and horses.
It’s more like teasing them to go after something they can never have.
Yeah, again, I’m not saying that’s not a thing, man. Just that’s not what carrot vs stick metaphor is about
Can you provide me a couple older references to this? Preferably before the year 2000, or at least before the AI and enshittification era?
Here’s a wiki link for you
I asked for before the enshittification era.
I’m not about to trust a controversial article that could have been manipulated by almost anyone these days.
I do appreciate you for looking into older references, but I was hoping for some articles from before the digital era, like a scan or three from a couple encyclopedias or other relevant articles before the modern digital era.
Find me something from like 1950-60 and I might be more inclined to believe it. Other than that, given my life experience, I tend to believe what I literally learned on the horse ranch.
Honestly, people have given you examples. If you want examples from pre-internet then you should do some work yourself to find it.
I’ve known how to ride horses and donkeys since I was 6 years old, I grew up on a horse ranch.
I don’t need no fucking examples dumbass, I lived it.
People were trying to gently educate you on a metaphor and you decided anything pre-internet is a requirement. Then you keep talking about your lived experience when you got it wrong. Then you attack people when they said they’re not going to do work for you and if you want info you can look it up yourself. You got some real boomer energy my guy/gal.
You don’t use a stick on a donkey or a horse, unless you want your face kicked in and trampled to death.
Have any of you ever heard of a horse whip? When used correctly, they exceed the speed of sound, and keep trainers and riders at a safe distance from them.
I don’t give a fuck about some stupid metaphor that probably came from republican propaganda when they have no experience on a farm.
If you don’t care about the metaphor what the heck are you doing in this conversation
Because I have no experience with said stupid ‘metaphor’, I’ve never heard it as a metaphor before today.
Coming from over 10 years on a horse/donkey ranch, I speak from real life experience. I didn’t realize that people were so dumb as to think you whip such a large animal with a stick, that’s just fucking stupid and asking to die by the animal’s hooves.
So once again, there’s a reason they make horse/donkey whips, and if you don’t know what that is, well go spend a few days on a large animal farm and learn how dangerous the untrained can be.
“No experience with said metaphor”, we tried to help you
If you can’t figure out what we’re talking about with a thread full of context then I don’t know what to tell you. Either way, you can take a lesson learned here or not, I don’t particularly care anymore.
Go ahead, go tame a donkey by hitting it with a stick, see how far that gets you…
IDGAF if you newer people that have never handled such animals have turned it into an ignorant meme, it’s a matter of life or death.
You simply do not hit such large animals with a stick. They will kill you.
Go visit a training farm.
Are you trolling??
No one thinks this nor is saying it. You’re the person screaming WHAT ABOUT THE ATTACK ON THE WOOKIES when everyone is talking about what to have for lunch right now. Get it together, it’s embarrassing
MatengorDon’t feed the troll.
Funny you think you are.
You don’t hit a donkey or a horse with a stick, unless you want your face kicked in. Which actually happened on our ranch, thankfully not to me though.
You ever heard of a horse whip? Do you know how to use them? They’re usually over 8 feet long, and when swung, aimed and popped correctly, that pop exceeds the speed of sound, keeping the trainers at a safe distance with a safe advantage.
Wanna try again troll? I literally grew up on a horse ranch, and the proper tools of training horses and donkeys would rip your flesh open.
The metaphor is not about how to ride horses or donkeys.
You can just go look at the sources of the article man.
I don’t need to look at the articles, I literally grew up on a horse/donkey/goat ranch. Besides, why would I look into articles suggesting to abuse the farm animals?
I bet most everyone, including the Wikipedia article writers, and even the references they mention, most of them have probably never even rode a horse or donkey before. I have though.
There are proper ways of training large farm animals, and beating them with a stick isn’t one. That’s straight up animal abuse. And such large animals will quickly remind you who is in charge by stomping your skull in.
I learned how to peacefully and safely train animals. Dangle a carrot in front of a donkey, you can guide it around all day, until the work shift is over and you guide it to the food trough.
Why is everyone sharing links on how to beat animals with sticks, when I’m literally explaining from experience that there are much better ways to train farm animals?
OK, cool? Your experience doesn’t mean this doesn’t happen though, and no one is saying this is any kind of proper way to train an animal.
You’re approaching this from the wrong direction. No one is saying this is the correct way to raise animals, everyone is just saying this is LITERALLY what the phrase means.
Dude the Wikipedia article proves that both metaphors are correct
Ok, nice. 👍
Have a good day.
It’s pretty intuitive from the saying. It’s the carrot OR the stick, not the carrot ON the stick. The carrot is the reward for doing the thing, the stick is the punishment for not doing it. Just google it.
Read OP’s post again, it literally says “carrot and stick”.
I’m not about to nitpick my life experience with someone that’s probably never rode a horse or donkey in their life, doesn’t know how to read, and goes to Google for all their information.
Dude no one’s arguing about your life experience, it’s just irrelevant.