davriellelounaA growing number of young chinese people are avoiding Starbucks Coffee. US executives are furious.
Well, of course. Putting geopolitics aside, Starbucks coffee is overpriced and not good. I wonder what the CEO who commutes via private jet to work will take away from this. Likely nothing.
A pork latte sounds incredibly disgusting, what a stupid idea
Speak for yourself.
𞋴𝛂𝛋𝛆What is it, like broth savory, or some fake candy like flavor?
It tastes like cops, I think.
kittenzrulz123I hear it also tastes like capitalist
At that point I thought it was an Onion article.
“Chinese people like pork, right?! And they like coffee! See where I’m going with this?!!!”
cool, now I have to worry if coffee is hallal or not too
Customers want a reasonably priced and not shitty coffe.
They don’t call it Charbucks for nothing
Personally, I’d like the entirety of the United States to buy local from all types of restaurants instead of letting corporations pave over our regional food cultures.
Those Chinese brands mentioned in this NYT piece are all national/international chains, massive cooperations similar to McDonald and Starbucks, not local mom pop shops…
Sure, but there is a difference letting one corporation overpower the market and supporting a national or even international business.
We got Taco Bell some years back where I live and suddenly all the actually good places died, and sure, some of them were genuine local businesses instead of just corporate chsins, but I’d much rather support anything other than some American super corporation, get a shittier product that’s more expensive, just because they have the money to push their shitty product more than some smaller, albeit corporation shit.
Most American super corporations have enough influence and power as it is. Nothing wrong if we get some competition and variety. Lesser of two evils you know.
If I had my choice I would probably avoid restaurants entirely, but there are a couple of local bakeries I am happy going to.
I hope the CEO thinks long and hard about it while he takes his jet to work in the morning. Supercommuting asshole.
laughs in australian…
Shitbucks
it depresses me to know that they will return for another attempt, but for now they are used as an example of failure.
www.abc.net.au/news/2008-08-07/32188
dumblederpfuck em both.
TwinTitansShit. Wait until they see Canadians doing it too.
Your neighbors pay your salary. The more money in your community the more there will be for your salary.
Sometimes you’re likely to want to get groceries.
Sometimes you’re likely to want to go to restaurants.
Sometimes you’re likely to need to get housewares.
Sometimes you’re likely to need services from plumbers or mechanics or electricians.
If you choose your local community, that money stays in your community, and it’s likely to make it back to you.
So next time you’re buying a burger and fries, check out your local restaurants.
huppakeeI don’t disagree but a lot of chains rely on franchisers, who can still be a neighbour. Also the employees can still be your neighbour. Also the supplier can be your neighbor. Buying local is definitely a good choice, likely the better choice, but not all ‘companies headquartered in a different city’ are equally evil. Also because economy of scale is a thing. That’s why you’re not talking about ‘companies headquartered in another street’ for example.
All true! But the profits still get siphoned off elsewhere. My Lowe’s employs us locals, but the hardware store downtown doesn’t exist to provide shareholder value.
Again, you’re right. Non all non-local sellers are evil capitalists, hell bent on making us poor.
We were a whole lot poorer when everything was only regional. We need a balance. We will be a whole lot poorer and belligerent as a species if we are totally insular.
We are actually pretty close to being able to defeat the resource scarcity of our planetary prison. Gravitational differentiation is a bitch for sequestering almost all of Earth’s heavy resources after the Theia collision and the last time the entire surface of Earth was molten. The continents are like the flux or froth that rises to the surface. Nearly all of the heavy elements on the surface of the planet are from astroid collisions that have happened since the continents formed. The thing is, there are these things called m-type asteroids that are remnants of planetesimal cores broken apart in the early formation of the Sol system. Some of these large m-type asteroids are in near Earth orbits. These are differentiated, aka concentrated with rare elements. Fully accessing just one of these has a potential to completely upend what wealth means and all of our financial institutions. It could easily dwarf all human resource wealth that has ever been accessed on the surface of Earth. Accessing this kind of resource wealth will drive us into space in the future at large scales. We already have the materials science to build O’Neill cylinders that have Earth like centrifugal gravity and are 9.1 km in diameter by ~30 kilometers long. The scientific papers establishing this were published by Dr. O’Neill in the 1970s. The only thing holding us back is the will and the resources. We only get to that future if we put aside tribalism and work together.
We don’t need this dichotomous oversimplification of all or nothing. We need balance and we need to stop the culture of unregulated unethical capitalism. Capitalism must be regulated like the drug addicted STI ridden whore that it is and handled like a worthless ragdoll because this is what it really is. Corporations are disposable worthless things. They are not people. They should be the homeless beggars. They are the fodder on the front lines of conflict because corporations and companies are not people and killing them is a great and valiant thing. New companies can fill the voids. This is the whole point in capitalism. The problem is that we have let companies rule over people and that is feudalism. It is not a democracy at all. Whores cannot lead or rule us or we fall apart. They have no ethics, no values. They would just as soon kill you, but that is okay only because they are not people and they must die with extreme prejudice. Businesses have no rights except to be useful for a time. Being established as a business must become a liability not an asset because it is within real open market capitalism. No one gets all the gambles right every time unless they are cheating and in both cases they must die.
apfelwoiSchoppenCentering execs is very on brand for NYT.
Seditious DeliciousBig corporate just siphon money to another country and rich executives. Supporting local business, means the money stay local and they spend it back in the same community that spent it on them.
Plus the Star Bucks coffee is shit.
I don’t get why anyone goes to a Starbucks still. If I want aRtiSAn coffee I can still get it cheaper and probably far better quality.
My favorite indulgence is an iced coffee with bananas from Nordstrom (I’m still confused why they went into the coffee business but they are quite successful) and the large cup is still cheaper than what Starbucks offers. I haven’t set foot in one for a couple of years because 7$ for an iced mocha was revolting.
Their iced mocha coffee was all I drank but even the glass bottles they sold in stores I had to stop buying. It’s coffee, not gold!
A lot of suburban sprawl in the USA doesn’t have good local coffee shops around and Starbucks is the best, or at least reasonably close, option available to get a fancy caffeine fix.
Plus they serve lots of things other than over roasted drip coffee.
I like some of their iced drinks and macchiatos. But I like sweet garbage with too many calories. So my palette isn’t exactly refined. However, that’s a lot of the reason is just lack of options and people genuinely like their sugary sweet drinks and will pay a premium for everybody’s favorite drug caffeine.
BigBenisBeyond supporting local businesses, Starbucks’ coffee is just objectively poor quality in comparison to that of any local roster.
As someone who worked at a local roaster, the coffee was objectively better, but the owners were trying really hard to be like Starbucks in every other way.
I wish the employees had a union, but it was a college town.
Coffee culture in China is on another level. They have fast coffee like Luckin, Cotti, and dozens more brands, all of which are better and have more variety than Starbucks, and they have high end coffees with artisan beans, and all of them are cheaper than Starbucks. They’re not going to win there, for sure.
If Starbucks cannot compete on price, it is nothing. They failed in Australia for being worse than what we already have here.
Also laughs in NZ
Starbucks coffee is shit anyway. Support your local roasters and shops, or roast your own if you have the means. It’s a great and delicious hobby.
Coincidentally when I saw this post I was in the middle of roasting a batch.
Now put a pork chop in there.
The oven would do a much better job, and I don’t get to try pork flavored coffee. That’s a win win situation.
Love my Gene Cafe!
It’s a great roaster!
Almacca“as chinese customers become more knowledgeable about coffee, they will want to upgrade from lower-end or discounted products”
Sick burn.
That last line from the ex CEO is so stupid, Starbucks is the lower end coffee shop, it’s the McDonals of coffee. Anyone who cares about quality coffee would prefer local roasters with fresh coffee anyways
I couldn’t give a single shit what any Starbucks executive thinks about any decisions anyone else makes.
spittingimageLocal companies are out-competing the multinational on price, quality and local knowledge. Isn’t this the free market working as designed?
sp3ctr4lOh hey, glad the Chinese figured out Starbucks is bad.
I too prefer locally owned coffed stores!
… Too bad I’m from Seattle, and Starbucks pretty much killed them all.
Fuck Starbucks.
They appropriated the ‘chill local coffee shop you can hang out at all day’, ran most of out of business, first in Seattle, then nationwide, then all over the world, and now they just run a coffee themed fast food empire.
Fuck. Starbucks.
They failed miserably in Australia as well.
They did, but somehow they’re managing to start making a comeback with their drive through stores. People that want super convenience will put up with a worse coffee for it.
Just came back from Seattle and drank coffee from various coffee places that were not Starbucks every single day.
Would you stop clouding the narrative? We’re trying to hate spiral over here
I should know this?
edgemaster72Exactly what I was thinking. Why should I give a shit that Starbucks is failing in China? I didn’t even know they were in China.
Yeah this more an Uplifting News article, but I guess people who still shop at (nonunion) Starbucks should know it.
Because it represents the tipping point where America lost its dominance. Starbucks doesn’t sell coffee but an affordable access to experiencing the American way of life.
If Starbucks loses its appeal it means that people stop looking up to America. Students won’t dream of becoming a scientist in America, business men won’t long for participating in the American economy, consumers don’t care about buying American products for being American.
All American products from now on have to compete on quality and service. This changes the value of the products and the value of the work that American workers deliver.
BigFigRight? Post this in news this isn’t a YSK, and the OP fails to explain WHY YSK
I’m trying to do that in the US too. Haven’t used a Starbucks excerpt as an emergency bathroom for 2 years.
New marketing campaign? Emergency bathroom coffee!
Good, starbucks was never any good. Burned beans make for burned coffee; shit is nasty.
I’ve been avoiding starbucks for year. Garbage company. But I do have a gift card I think so I might be forced to use it, or give it away since if I don’t then they just get a free donation to their company.
andybytesStarbucks coffee tastes like my shit smells.
SoleInvictusIts smell reminds me of cat shit.