The Picard ManeuverSomeone didn't cancel their plans for the day.
ddashBowling a perfect game like there’s no to_moro_.
MolecularCactus1324And, the planes hit at 9 in the morning, it’s not like he had time to bowl and then the planes hit. This guy was playing while the rest of the country was glued to their televisions.
The alley was probably nice and quiet, he could focus on his game.
The D Quuuuuillgotta get catharsis while you’re processing tragedy somehow. in a lot of ways this guy had it figured out
It isn’t impossible that he didn’t know.
Many people don’t listen to the radio or watch TV. No smart phones.
Did you read the interview?
Yeah, but I feel like if you interacted with anyone you’d know something was up, if they don’t just tell you. Hell, if the bowling alley had TVs they were probably all on the news. Maybe if he was at home I’d believe he didn’t know, but not out somewhere where you have to interact with other people.
This. If you were in public, you knew. Everyone was talking about it. This was before certain news media splintered off into exclusively covering alternate realities, so most people were on the same page regardless of where they got their news from.
PhoreTwunnyHe was in a league and the games weren’t cancelled
Endymion_MallornRead the article. It's short.
Buddy what article? It’s a shitter screenshot.
You got a mirror to this previously unposted article? I don’t have an mbin account.
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My apologies, it was 1AM, I thought it would do the thing where it shows you the comment on your instance.
My entire school knew within minutes of the second plane. There’s no fucking way he left the house that day and didn’t know.
If I don’t bowl today the terrorists win.
Literally tho. That's the kind of thing Bush & Giuliani were saying.
katy ✨if you don’t lie about wmds and start a war lasting two decades based on a lie the terrorists win
That’s actually strangely beautiful. The worst terrorist attack on this country and people who weren’t directly affected just kinda… continue going about their lives.
It’s obviously tone-deaf and selfish too, but from the attackers’ perspective, what did you actually accomplish with all that money, planning, and lives spent?
I remember losing track of time watching it on TV and my boss called all pissed off. Rush to work and he is giving us shit because everyone was late. A coworker guilt tripped him hard about how we all just watched thousands of people die and were traumatized. He shut up and eventually sent us home early.
I remember I was in high school and they didn’t do early dismissal but all of our classes were pointless because we just watched the news. I also remember an edgelord kid making jokes while the news was on after the first plane hit about how the pilot must have been drunk or something and then literally watching another plane hit live and he shut up
Then I had a shift at my job, blockbuster video, which decided that people may want to rent movies during this tragic time so we had to come into work. Absolutely no one came in and my coworker spent the entire shift freaked the fuck out that a nuclear bomb would be dropped on the northeast
For reference I lived in New Jersey not that far from Manhattan. I could kind of get it if I lived in like Wisconsin or something.
Silly coworker, they would have opened with a nuke if they could. (Too soon?)
That was unironically my response to their anxiety. Why would they bother with all the plane nonsense if they had access to nuclear weapons? Makes no sense. But people went nuts after 9/11, totally irrational
That edgelord kid hadn't been sat at a freshman class meeting a few minutes before, next to a kid whose first response to "A plane just hit the World Trade Center!" was, "What, another Cessna?", right?
Please say no.
I wonder what it would be like today… Just one 8 hour long news segment?
Oh god, all the top TikToks would be by people who died minutes after uploading them.
#JustBossThings
neuracnuThere is a small theater monologue to be written about this event.
This is the second best day of my life!
Sir. A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack.
This is the best day of my life!
“40 Wall street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it’s the tallest And I just spoke to my people, and they said it’s the most unbelievable sight, it’s probably seven or eight blocks away from the World Trade Center, and yet Wall Street is littered with two feet of stone and brick and mortar and steel …”
Trump on 9/11.
Yes, he was always narcissistic scum. NYC tried to warn everyone else.
Their warning was absolute proof to the south that he must be their messiah.
No other possible reason for NYC to talk shit about him.
Wow, he used to be coherent.
AnUnusualRelicBut that was before 2001, apparently.
modifierWe all process grief in different ways.
Well, he really knocked 'em down that day
I find it very strange seeing people express such somber emotions about 9/11. Admittedly it was before I was born, but it seems so different to my experience. The reverence displayed for human life during 9/11 seems so disjointed from the apathy to the multitudes more who died in gaza. Who died in Ukraine. Who died in hospitals during COVID. I cannot imagine myself being so shaken by death. When I see tragedy it affects me very little. Not to say I think death is okay, I just can’t imagine living in a time where I would have grievances to spare on another thousand dead.
i remember going home with a friend because my parents were both working, and playing team fortress classic while half the lobby had nicknames like “OSAMA BIN LADEN HAS NO BALLS”
Man this is the kinda contemporary responses that need to be preserved. I feel much more of a human connection to an emotional reaction like that than I have for any other. Thank you
You remember how weird and scary and paranoid everything was in the early days of the pandemic? That’s a bit what it was like on/after 9/11. It was a shock to the entire nation, and the world suddenly felt uncertain in a way it hadn’t on 9/10.
You’re contextualizig the attack in terms of loss of life, numbers, but what you’re missing is the vibe of the thing.
For me, Covid is more like slow horror that creeps in, slowly boiling you like a frog.
9/11 is probably more like what Jan 6 felt like. Obviously, more people died on 9/11, but I’m talking about the shock of it, and how surreal it feels.
Covid feels more like a “Flint, Michigan” scenario.
That’s fair. I went with Covid because J6 did have any real ongoing impact. It happened and then everyone tried to move on like nothing had happened. That was itself surreal, of course. Covid had more of the “this changes everything forever” feeling (though at this point it seems like everyone has forgotten about it)
No not really. I remember people dying while others lamented the loss of economic value. I didn’t feel paranoid or scared I felt disappointed.
The vibe of the thing is exactly what I’m referring to. The vibes being somber seems a reality so far removed from what I’ve experienced and I want to understand why. From what I can gather from comments the reason seems to be that it was shown on tv. That tracks with modern disasters not gaining such notoriety because mainstream media won’t show you the scattered remains of children who died in buildings brought down by American armaments.
Look, I lived through both 9/11 and the pandemic and other events besides. If you didn’t feel any weird vibes in the first weeks of March 2020, I’m guessing this is more of a You problem.
My point is that many people felt destabilized by the attack. Maybe you’re too galaxy brained for that, but maybe you can try being galaxy brained enough to understand how others felt.
Match!!if nobody’s pointed out it - it’s because rich people died in 9/11
One is a conflict that has perpetuated arguably for more than 400 years.
One is a war that has been going on since 1948. Could be argued that it even started in the 1800’s with zionism.
One was COMPLETELY out of the blue, unprecedented in USA. Pearl Harbor doesn’t even come close to the impact of 9/11.
So yeah. Obviously people have different feeling about it.
9/11 was so shocking, it was known around the world.
My parents who grew up in a developing country (that is not even a US ally btw) also heard about it on the news. Its literally the first thing that come to mind when the concept of “terrorism” is uttered.
In 1993 a truck bomb exploded in the basement of the world trade centre killing 6 and injuring over 1000. Completely out of the blue? A first in history. Google pre 9/11 terrorist attacks, have a read through.
I said in another comment that the I think the reason for such discrepancy between the reactions I see in my life and the reactions to 9/11 from people who lived through it was they saw it happen on tv. And I guess in a weird way that does make sense to me. Of course people don’t have such a visceral reaction to things they haven’t seen.
I’ve seen plenty of the muslim conflicts. It is well reported in Sweden. You miss the geographical impact of a “real” threat occurring in North America.
I know about the truck bomb. It was like a footnote of nothing in comparison.
Idk I guess it’s just confusing for me. I don’t care particularly more about the people who died in 9/11 than I do about the people who died elsewhere. For me it is no less tragic than any other incident. And for me so much is happening that I’m numb to it.
Then thats a “you” problem.
Do you feel alright going to sleep in a safe bed at night?
because 9/11 was never about human life, Americans don’t give a shit about that. they care about their own life, and 9/11 was a shocking, if temporary, reminder that a full life isn’t a sure thing.
basically the American people felt for a moment how their government has made brown people all around the world every day for decades and the panic was enough to start multiple wars without an end in sight.
and of course as evidenced by these wars, it was a perfect excuse for maxing out the already obnoxious jingoism of the population. they just do it on reflex, no thinking.
never forget. respect the veterans. thank you for your service.
what was the service again? oh yeah cracking skulls of brown children? thanks a lot. I’m thankful you exploded those newlyweds on their wedding day who were surely getting married so they could do terror attacks together. thank you.
biggest terror organization in the world.
grysbokI watched human beings jump out of skyscrapers live, my homeroom class. It had an impact.
And then everything went nuts, the Patriot act got passed, and the whole WMD bullshit, and my whole high school encircled the building and prayed. Nuts.
Do you think seeing it live on tv is what made the difference? Could you see people having a similar reaction to modern incidents if they were televised as much.
Probably, yes. Also the fact that they were their people.
America is on friendly terms with most of the world, surprisingly enough, so most would have viewed this as an attack on an ally.
I think seeing it live did make a difference. We didn’t know what was going to happen next. When we saw the second plane hit, at first we thought it was a recording of the first plane. It was traumatic.
I don’t know if you’d get the same reaction nowadays. Our media environment is much more fractured, I don’t know if you’d have the same experience. Even January 6th, it felt like I had a tad more control because I could choose where to get my information from, instead of having the one news channel.
i lived through it and got out of class early in uni because of it and watched tribute.wmv regularly and i turned out ok
tribute.wmv
I think part of why it feels so non-impactful to you is because 9/11 truly set off a chain of events that has led to the situation we’re in, including the many tragedies you mention in your comment. Of course 9/11 doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and it itself is just a one part of a much more complex web of actions and decisions, but the fact remains that for most common people 9/11 was an absolute tipping point after which nothing is the same. The sort of horrors you’re talking about in the world in the wake of 9/11 just weren’t the same kind of reality in the world before, at least not with the same intents and reactions thereto. You’re right to think it’s strange the way people react to and hold 9/11 because you’re never experienced the world before it. And to be clear, I am not saying the world was perfect before or that there weren’t horrors before, because their were, but 9/11 became a catalyst for so much reactionary evil and overreach and horror that it simply is non-comparable to what came before.
important note: this entire comment and perspective implies an enormous Western post-colonial bias. People in different parts of the world had and have an enormously different reality especially in regards to this event and I will not pretend to be able to speak to their experience.