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Squorlple May 2, 2025

Conversely, I don't consider having a machine rapidly output media to impersonally proliferate your message to be a good faith interaction for your audience but I'm not the one with the banhammer

https://lemmy.world/post/29036642

Conversely, I don't consider having a machine rapidly output media to impersonally proliferate your message to be a good faith interaction for your audience but I'm not the one with the banhammer - Lemmy.World

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971 [https://lemmy.world/post/29035971] > Posting here for preservation’s sake > > Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced? > > You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark. > > This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

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go $fsck yourself May 3, 2025

I disagree with how a lot of that thread was moderated, and I do think that a permaban was a heavy-handed. Not that you weren’t necessarily entirely without fault.

I’d say it’s a combo of BPR and PTB

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_cryptagion [he/him]May 3, 2025

This is a copyleft, pro genAI instance. We don’t even agree that copyright or intellectual property is moral, let alone the argument tat keeps popping up that it’s “stealing”. Once you release an idea to the world, it becomes part of the human condition. It doesn’t belong to you, and saying you “own” something that’s a part of another person’s consciousness is akin to saying slavery is acceptable.

There are plenty of safe spaces for that neoliberal capitalist bullshit, but on an anarchist instance is not it. They deserved it, and I think it should be made into an instance-wide rule that anti-AI conversation be banned for being in direct contradictions to our morals and political philosophy, with repeat violators being banned.

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Madzielle May 4, 2025

I agreed until you got to the point that anti-AI conversation should be banned. And because I agreed up to that point, I think I joined the wrong instance. I could go along with y’all being pro-AI because im not inherently against it, just cautious as a person, knowing people abuse any kind of power far too often. And, I dont have to use AI in my life while still having anarchist beliefs. It’s a choice, so long as you hold no power and do no damage to others with your tools . . Banning conversation is holding power and using it against others, which is inherently not anarchy.

I guess the Anarchism I grew up with has changed. Bummer to hear.

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_cryptagion [he/him]May 4, 2025

This is banding together to defend our communities from those who would do us harm, That’s mutual aid, and there isn’t anything more anarchist than that. If you don’t agree, then you probably weren’t very aligned with anarchism in the first place.

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Madzielle

I guess I don’t understand the correlation between banning speech that hurts no one, (a computer does not have feelings, nor is it sentient) and mutual aid? What barriers are you trying to collectively overcome by not allowing folks to discuss the benefits, risks and/or negatives of AI in our lives? It feels akin to someone telling me global warming and climate change arnt real so I should fuck off, I don’t belong, that speech is banned.

Anarchism is older than AI, I guess that’s where I feel the shift, and I only feel it here. Being new to lemmy, these two Incorporated ideas, I’ve never seen together before.

Side tangent, so you know where i am coming from. My definition of Anarchism stems from the early 90’s punk scene. In the late 90s, I was taught some of my computer literacy from a man who once hacked the KKK website back when, and made a mockery of it, told me he held the domain for so many months. His probation wouldn’t even allow him access to a land line it was absurd. He showed me how to use IRC, and I thought it was incredible, and glorious. That was freedom, of course until the power caught on. Even then, we persist.

I don’t understand how discussing the dangers of AI is withholding anyone’s freedom, nor do I understand how banning the speech is mutual aid.

I guess I can understand you want to protect your group of folks from people constantly questioning something you strongly believe in. But my previous questions stand. If you are up to it, feel free to enlighten me, I am an old goat these days, and I really am curious.

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_cryptagion [he/him]May 5, 2025

There’s a big difference between discussing the pro/cons of something, and brigading communities on a pro-AI instance to push your own agenda. As of this moment, people have already been banned in the last 24 hours for vote manipulation, and more than one person has spun up alts to comment and vote on topics they’ve already put in their word on.

There’s a very simple word to describe what’s happening to db0, and that word is an attack. When you’re attacked, you defend yourself. Nobody is banning anti-AI speech, we’re banning it here. This instance does not represent the entirety of the fediverse. Nobody banned here is being kept from posting that speech literally anywhere else.

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Madzielle May 5, 2025

Heard

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Unruffled [they/them]May 5, 2025

I’d encourage you to read the experience of one of our mods in this post to better understand the impact of this type of behaviour on our mods and users: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43560521. It’s by no means a victimless activity. We aren’t proposing to ban discussion about AI. If someone wants to make a post in an appropriate community like the /0 main community about our GenAI policy then that is totally fine. But dogpiling the comments of posts in a community that doesn’t prohibit GenAI is just trolling imo.

New rule proposal for the Golden Rules - Voting post - Divisions by zero

Ahoy me hearties! To run alongside the discussion on the simplified Golden Rules for the instance, I decided to post a separate proposal for a single rule addition. The proposed rule is: Off topic comments and downvote trolling to protest the use of genAI images is not permitted in our communities. It would only apply to communities where GenAI art is not disallowed by the community rules, so mods can opt in or out. Since the rule will likely attract some pushback from the anti-GenAI crowd, I wanted to run this proposal as a member vote to confirm we have broad support. # Exhibit 1 - dbzer0 Main Sidebar for context >Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights > >Communities about Anarchism, Generative AI, Copylefts, Neurodivergence, Filesharing, and Free Software. Our instance has been associated with genAI art since its inception, because the founding admin, db0, has also spent years developing and maintaining FOSS Projects like AI Horde [https://aihorde.net/] (a crowdsourced distributed cluster of image generation workers and text generation workers) and Haidra [https://github.com/Haidra-Org]. We have a number of popular genAI communities on our instance including: - !Stable Diffusion Art [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/stable_diffusion_art] - !Stable Diffusion Anime [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/share_anime_art] - !Stable Diffusion Mycology [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/stable_diffusion_mycology] - !Imaginary Witches [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/imaginarywitches] # Exhibit 2 - The Problem This is the recent experience of one of our community mods: > “From the moment I started the [redacted] community here people have been brigading it trying to suppress it, and had I not had the sense to ban the droves of anti-AI trolls who come to downvote it into oblivion. They probably would be continuing to do so in insanely large volume. A lot of the users who come to downvote do so with empty no content accounts, but a lot are also trolls from the [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] community. I’ve also received a fair amount of harassment including threats and bad faith accusations from it like people saying I’m a pedophile or saying I’m pretending to be nonbinary over the fact that I like and use genAI. Really awful behavior that has no place on this instance of this community.” This sort of thing is hateful and should not have to be tolerated by our users. Let’s call it what it is: bullying and harassment. # Exhibit 3 - Escalating Problems If you take look at this post [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43418415?scrollToComments=true] from today in the lighthearted Lefty Memes community, it’s a total shit show of offtopic comments. I’m not going to re-litigate the whole experience here since there is a YPTB post about it here [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43426671]. This sort of brigading is completely unwarranted and I regard it as hostile bullying behaviour towards our community members and moderators. It completely derails the comments and goes way off topic for the community. Even after repeatedly asking these users to open a meta post about the issues they clearly wanted to talk about, instead of brigading the comments, I was mostly ignored and eventually pretty much gave up on trying to moderate the post. # Conclusion In summary, as an admin on this instance I’ve noticed a significant uptick in the amount and volume of trolling in our communities by this group of users. I’d like to make sure we have this rule in place so that we can continue to effectively moderate the instance for the enjoyment of our community members, and to protect our moderators and admins from abuse. Thank you for your consideration. If you have any suggestions to improve the rule, or thoughts on the topic you wish to share, then please do so in the comments. Edit: for detailed voting information see this post [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35725820]. But in summary, please upvote if you support the rule addition or downvote if you are opposed.