Catbusliberal: omg how do we defeat Trumpism
socialist: *explains how*
liberal: that's not realistic, I meant without changing anything
Janis@ancient_catbus OK, so what needs to change, and why haven't all y'all gotten that bit done yet so your solutions can be implemented? if it's so realistic, it should be in progress, at least.
Cards, please.
binchicken@janisf ok i am trying to do this thing where i treat people like they actually want the answers to the questions they ask.
it's already happening, and has been the entire time. the mutual aid groups, the community organisations.
i don't know your area so i don't know where you should start specifically, but i have discovered a very convenient shortcut when it comes to the US. find the community based activists that the organisers of your nearest 50501 march wanted to call the police on. they are usually they ones who have a history of action that is effective, rather than performative.
also i have no idea what cards please means, sorry.
@thegarbagebird @ancient_catbus Yes, thank you! I did intend to ask in a way that inspired a good answer.
I've reached out to some organizations, but they're not tied into mutual aid groups, so I'm at a loss as to how to find them. I don't have much, but I do have a Chevy Bolt, and I'm happy to drive people around Minneapolis (without using Google or Apple Maps) because our public transit is weak to meh. I've marched, I keep my kid posted....
So, just living outside Capitalism?
cyFortunately organizations don't have to be tied to mutual aid groups, to engage in helping out freely with no money exchanged. I dunno how to clue people in on that though, that doing more of that would be a good idea. Still, it's nice when the local garden club always brings more food than anyone can eat.
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@cy @thegarbagebird @ancient_catbus They won't get clued in, not if they have to file something other than an individual tax return.
The orgs I touched seemed the sort to have mutual aid-type folks in them, without being pointedly aid organizations themselves, which also haven't connected me, come to think of it.
I'm not sure how mutual aid orgs are at all targeted at changing government, though, while govt are the folks who parse out the land, patrol it, and kick you off it.
@janisf even just showing up at local council meetings can be good, even if you don't believe in electoralism. informative, and lets you get an idea of who's out there in the community with enough energy to tolerate a meeting.
Most councils these days rule over hundreds of thousands or millions of people, who can't possibly form a community. (I certainly know the people of Hillsboro didn't support selling off our only common land to a private corporation, so they could fence it off and make us pay to access it.) It can still be good, but it's better if your local neighborhood association shows up together to this so-called "local" meeting, holding a giant sign saying "HILLSBOROS HANDS RUN WITH BLOOD" while singing the Russian National Anthem.
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@cy that's fair enough, not a lot of people are interested. no profit motive. but that bit about the people showing up to the council meeting, all pissed off, with signs? that's good. you just found people who will take time out of their day to show up to a council meeting. sure, maybe they're not interested in electoralism. that's fine, sounds like you have a pretty captured council. well you've just found people willing to do a little civil disobedience and don't mind pissing off that council. find out who they are, see if they are down to build. lots of unused ground and public land.
hell, what with all the funding cuts, the council probably have fewer people to check on shit like that. they'll hopefully be focusing on parking fines and traffic enforcement, trying to make up the shortfall. @janisf @ancient_catbus
hell, what with all the funding cuts, the council probably have fewer people to check on shit like that. they'll hopefully be focusing on parking fines and traffic enforcement, trying to make up the shortfall. @janisf @ancient_catbus