ThefuzzyFurryComrade"Cars and Independence" (Art by Sylvia Odhner)
KaboomLiterally advocating for 15 minute cities. Couldn’t get more stereotypical and Orwellian if you tried.
GodricOrwell is when you live near a park and a grocery store
And you’re not allowed to go further than that
Literally no one is advocating for locking people into their own 15 minute city. No one is even suggesting that everyone needs to live in one. They’re just suggesting that some people might like that option, and that it’s probably a good idea to give people the option to live in a 15 minute city.
That’s the problem with you guys. You never think about tomorrow.
Tell me, what happened during Jim Crow when they disarmed black people? In Germany when they disarmed the Jews? And now lefties still want to disarm the people. What happened to the Native Americans when millions of Europeans came in? And y’all still want to bring in millions of immigrants. I can go on, but those are the easiest examples I have.
What does any of that have to do with 15 minute cities?
Also, I guess I should ask before this gets too far… What do you think a 15 minute city is?
What do you think a ghetto is? A real ghetto?
m-p{3}I lived in Montreal for a decade, living near all the amenities I needed at a walking distance and I managed to do everything without owning a car. When I wanted to get out of town I rented one for the week-end.
I never felt locked in.
UrPartnerInCrimeSo, don’t fuck cars because they gave you the independence go where you wanted on yhe weekends?
Most people, even here on fuckcars, don’t actually hate cars. We just hate that society is built around them and to a large degree requires everyone to own one.
The amount of times I’ve been downvoted for saying how even with public transit you need a car to do anything out in the country makes me doubt you
The whole point of the fuckcars movement is that we want public transit to be good enough that cars are not necessary. Yes, right now, in North America (with a few exceptions) you need a car, even if your city has public transit. And that’s awful.
Have you been to the country? No bus is going to take you to BFE. And even if they did, they would have to travel to multiple BFE all in diffrent directions.
There’s waaaay too much green out here for public transit to be a thing. Our schools had buses, and most of them weren’t full. But there were kids who had to get on the bus 2 hours before school because they were that far out there. And that wasn’t even the worst of em.
I’m not talking about the country. I’m talking about every city in Canada except Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver. I live in a major municipality in Canada. There’s a bus stop basically at the end of my driveway. But the bus comes every hour, doesn’t run very late, and takes half an hour to go downtown. So if I miss a bus, I’m 90 minutes from reaching downtown. Or… I could walk, which takes 30 minutes, no matter when I plan to leave. Or I could drive which takes 5 minutes.
If public transit is slower than walking, it’s not practical, and it’s not a replacement for cars.
When I lived in Toronto, as bad as their system is compared to European systems, there was never any question. If it was close, walking was faster. If it was still in the city, transit was faster. Even though I had access to a car, driving was never a realistic option, because the other options were actually convenient.
Ok? I wasn’t responding to your comment originally so all that’s off tangent