ThefuzzyFurryComrade"Cars and Independence" (Art by Sylvia Odhner)
KaboomLiterally advocating for 15 minute cities. Couldn’t get more stereotypical and Orwellian if you tried.
rnerclemost of the towns all throughout human history must have been Orwellian dystopias then
UrPartnerInCrimeWhat a dumb take. They didn’t have good plumbing either, should we go back to that also?
GodricOrwell is when you live near a park and a grocery store
And you’re not allowed to go further than that
Literally no one is advocating for locking people into their own 15 minute city. No one is even suggesting that everyone needs to live in one. They’re just suggesting that some people might like that option, and that it’s probably a good idea to give people the option to live in a 15 minute city.
That’s the problem with you guys. You never think about tomorrow.
Tell me, what happened during Jim Crow when they disarmed black people? In Germany when they disarmed the Jews? And now lefties still want to disarm the people. What happened to the Native Americans when millions of Europeans came in? And y’all still want to bring in millions of immigrants. I can go on, but those are the easiest examples I have.
What does any of that have to do with 15 minute cities?
Also, I guess I should ask before this gets too far… What do you think a 15 minute city is?
What do you think a ghetto is? A real ghetto?
m-p{3}I lived in Montreal for a decade, living near all the amenities I needed at a walking distance and I managed to do everything without owning a car. When I wanted to get out of town I rented one for the week-end.
I never felt locked in.
So, don’t fuck cars because they gave you the independence go where you wanted on yhe weekends?
Most people, even here on fuckcars, don’t actually hate cars. We just hate that society is built around them and to a large degree requires everyone to own one.
The amount of times I’ve been downvoted for saying how even with public transit you need a car to do anything out in the country makes me doubt you
The whole point of the fuckcars movement is that we want public transit to be good enough that cars are not necessary. Yes, right now, in North America (with a few exceptions) you need a car, even if your city has public transit. And that’s awful.
Have you been to the country? No bus is going to take you to BFE. And even if they did, they would have to travel to multiple BFE all in diffrent directions.
There’s waaaay too much green out here for public transit to be a thing. Our schools had buses, and most of them weren’t full. But there were kids who had to get on the bus 2 hours before school because they were that far out there. And that wasn’t even the worst of em.
I’m not talking about the country. I’m talking about every city in Canada except Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver. I live in a major municipality in Canada. There’s a bus stop basically at the end of my driveway. But the bus comes every hour, doesn’t run very late, and takes half an hour to go downtown. So if I miss a bus, I’m 90 minutes from reaching downtown. Or… I could walk, which takes 30 minutes, no matter when I plan to leave. Or I could drive which takes 5 minutes.
If public transit is slower than walking, it’s not practical, and it’s not a replacement for cars.
When I lived in Toronto, as bad as their system is compared to European systems, there was never any question. If it was close, walking was faster. If it was still in the city, transit was faster. Even though I had access to a car, driving was never a realistic option, because the other options were actually convenient.
Ok? I wasn’t responding to your comment originally so all that’s off tangent
Fuck cars being used as the prioritized mean of transportation above all else.
Does New York City and it’s transit systems not exist in your world?
OtterWhat do you think “15 minute city” refers to?
Since it sounds like you think it’s this
Celestini explained that the conspiracy theory behind 15-minute cities is that it’s a form of government take-over.
People are fearful of a scenario where people would have digital identifications on them and would be forced to stay within a 15-minute radius around their homes, and that if people traveled beyond those boundaries, they would be tracked and targeted in different ways.
It isn’t. No one is trying to do that.
Debunking the 15-minute-city conspiracy theory — and why it erupted at Essex County council | CBC News
Some Windsor-Essex residents are fearful of the concept of 15-minute-cities coming to the county — even though County of Essex officials stress it's not even on the table, with some experts chalking up related concerns to conspiracy theory thinking.
Buddy, is that deadass what do you think a 15 minute city is?
Holy shit lmfao, I have no words
Poe’s law is dead and I can’t tell if this is a joke.
It’s not; that guy is a Nazi troll.
Please stop flaunting your humiliation kink in public
Upvoted even though the DMV is not a company.
I realized this very quickly when I moved to the city. No longer had to worry about parking, gas, insurance, how to get home when i’m tired or drunk. It’s pretty great.
Having experienced both sides of the coin, living in a city came with other downsides. My bike was stolen twice, my backpack once, my basement was broken into, I didn’t know my neighbors, my car was broken into and I didn’t have any space for any kind of hobby. I even got into SOTA because I couldn’t even install a long wire antenna anywhere and the HF (and actual audio) noise levels were off the charts. Living in the boonies now with a bunch of great neighbors, I own a few hectares of forest, I’m happy to pay some money for mobility in exchange for all that.
happy to pay some money for mobility in exchange for all that.
Most of the costs are probably externalized and not paid for by you
Also good neighbors vs bad neighbors isn’t intrinsic to city vs country. You could easily have a neighbor out there that shoots guns unsafely , or feeds bears, or whatever. I had a whole DND crew here in the city that we could walk to each other’s places.
But this is kind of getting off the topic of cars aren’t the freedom people say they are.
This is kind of a me-thing, but I also never liked how you’re tied to your car, if you took it anywhere. You can’t walk through the shopping street and then just take the bus home from where you are. No no, now you gotta walk back all the way to where you parked.
in some places you can* it just means you have to come back without the car to bring it back within a certain amount of time that is rarely stated.
yardratianSomaWhen I got my first car, since I hadn’t driven for many years before that moment, whenever I drove, I felt like it was moving at superhuman speeds. Like, walking is slow, cycling is around 15-25km/h on average, yet driving is 50km/h and higher, on most streets where I drove.
Having a human-scaled life, means not moving at such unusual speeds, that sure, are normal in the 20th century, but common, haven’t we proven that bigger isn’t always better, faster isn’t always beneficial?