Americans. 🙄

“America would be better off if more people worked in manufacturing.”

• 80% of Americans agree
• 20% disagree

“I would be better off if I worked in a factory.”

• 25% of Americans agree
• 73% disagree
• 2% currently work in a factory

https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3lmpjuzutkc22

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@gwynnion A lot more people should work in factories for the sake of Economic Independence™ but I definitely shouldn't be one of them. /s
@gwynnion I think more people in my country should be forced to do work I would never want to do, that'll really fix things

@gwynnion Reminds me of a survey here in Germany before the recent election, which was roughly like this:

Germany's economic situation and outlook is bad:
80% agree
20% disagree

My own economic situation and outlook is bad:
20% agree
80% disagree

@rstub @gwynnion The US actually had quite a similar one!

@rstub

Something similar can be seen with Europeans' attitude toward climate change. Rough figures:

60-85% worry about climate change and its effects, and want more action taken to address this.

10-44%: support changes that will personally affect their lifestyles, such as major agricultural reform, giving up meat, or switching to public transport instead of driving.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/europeans-want-climate-action-but-not-lifestyle-change-poll

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/02/many-europeans-want-climate-action-but-less-so-if-it-changes-their-lifestyle-shows-poll

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/07/few-willing-to-change-lifestyle-climate-survey

@GhostOnTheHalfShell @cwicseolfor @gwynnion

Europeans want climate action but not lifestyle change – poll

Europeans want urgent action on climate change but remain committed meat-eaters and question policy proposals such as banning the sale of new petrol vehicles

University of Cambridge

@katlin @rstub @GhostOnTheHalfShell @gwynnion It rhymes, though as counterpoint. There’s a significantly lesser degree of selfishness on show to me when someone expresses they’re fine but others are suffering.

For another tangent, in the US last I saw, 2/3 support reproductive rights, trans rights, and climate action, but assume only 1/3 do and that they’re in the minority.

All about the Overton window.

@katlin @rstub @GhostOnTheHalfShell @gwynnion Re: Overton window and climate action, people have been actively propagandized to see *any* lifestyle change as a downgrade. I’ve never lived in Europe, regrettably, but I know that in the United States, it’s emphatically not true - people can consume a quarter or less of the resources of “normal” and enjoy a MUCH HIGHER STANDARD OF LIVING because most our consumption is artificial.
@gwynnion Americans have an immense capacity for letting other people's children pay the price of their standard of living. I think our failed promise of public education is a perfect example. Private school for my kids, job training fur yours.
@gwynnion I worked in a factory. It sucked.
@gwynnion feels like you could square the circle with “manufacturing jobs should provide better compensation than they do today. Like they were for much of the 20th century” (unless my understanding is incorrect.)

@gwynnion Americans agree that they wish they had servants working for them.

That was always the American dream. Not to live in a land without kings or tyrants, but to live in a land where you have a chance to become a king or tyrant.

@yora You see similar numbers about Americans who hate immigration but want someone else to pick fruit and do low paid labor for them.
@gwynnion That's why they are so fond of their civil war generals statues.
They are monuments to the American Dream, and proof that many achieved it.

@gwynnion

Honestly give the damage to the human body caused by factory or mining work, what are our options for eliminating those jobs altogether?

@gwynnion

I think people's unconscious is able to connect the idea of factory work with the historical benefits of union jobs. It's become a kind of short-hand that people have now forgotten why they even think manufacturing work is a good thing.

It's not the specific job (few people actually like working in a factory in and of itself), it's the union protections and the fact that those unions made a middle-class life possible in our nation's past.

@gwynnion

And I guess all the products they manufacture should be cheap?

Guess they have something completely wrong on neoliberal capitalism…

Sigh…

@gwynnion I mean, there's some truth to it. It's always nice to have jobs for workers in your own country. The problem is that a lot of these entry-level manufacturing positions in the US are done by immigrants. Many of whom are getting screwed over by 47. Heck, even tourists are getting screwed.

I'm honestly don't know what to do, as I can't even get work. It's been two years, and I can't get any entry-level positions in my field. It's like they don't exist.

(I voted for Harris 2024 btw.)

@gwynnion @ritawho

As a culture, the US is truly sociopathic

@gwynnion 10% currently work in manufacturing but I get your point
@gwynnion America would be better off if others worked in manufacturing.
@petrescatraian @gwynnion that was the whole goal. Offshore the most dangerous and polluted stages of the process, manufacturing and disposal. That way we still got cheap stuff but didn’t have to give polluted groundwater to our maimed factory worker children.

@passwordsarehard4 Sadly, people fail to realize this again and again, electing demagogues that promise this holly grail of homegrown manufacturing providing happiness and prosperity to everyone.

@gwynnion

@gwynnion the problem is neither CEO's, or corporate shareholders would be willing to take less profits. Oh, and then there's the issue of who we'll be able to sell to now that Orange Shitler has pissed everyone off.
@gwynnion Manufacturing kinda doesn't work without factories...
@gwynnion This is another manifestation of the "leopards eating faces" disease.

@gwynnion 25% is 10x more than 2% (tho the actual number is higher than that). So that checks out, that is more.

Nobody thinks everyone should work in a factory.

@gwynnion I'm not sure what inference I am supposed to draw from these figures. They imply that there is a huge pool of potential factory workers: if you took just a *tenth* of them and gave them jobs in factories you would double the total factory workforce and make millions of people better off. I know someone else has pointed out that these figures under-represent factory workers but the overall point still stands.