Do not normalize children dying from measles. Measles was previously eliminated in the US, thanks to vaccines.

When children die from measles, it means that adults have catastrophically failed to protect them because they have rejected basic science.

@luckytran That's a very generous way of saying "adults have murdered them"..

@dalias @luckytran murder implies malicious intent. words are important

edit: this is also not how you convince people they are wrong, for better or worse, you are only alienated and (in their mind) vindicating their choices.

@etsyy @dalias @luckytran Agree đź’Ż%.

But to be fair, it’s extremely rare that anyone becomes convinced they were wrong. Especially so for people susceptible to conspiracy beliefs.

@marshray @etsyy @luckytran Yeah I'm not trying to convince the antivaxxers they're wrong.

I'm trying to convince reasonable people that we should treat antivaxxers as murderers.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran and that's wrong
@etsyy @marshray @luckytran I guess we have differing opinions/values here.
@dalias @etsyy So since you seem to be ok expressing strong opinions, can I ask:
Do you think it was the right thing for government, scientists, and media to conspire to suppress consideration of the lab-leak hypothesis of origin of covid19?
(or reject the premise, something else, etc)
@marshray @dalias well that was largely born out of racism

@etsyy @dalias Certainly that’s a factor in some people’s beliefs, but that’s not really the basis of the hypothesis.

One could probably more easily argue that about the bias towards the “wet market” hypothesis.

@marshray @etsyy @dalias

You realize that the "wet market" hypothesis remains the most likely by far?

If there was a conspiracy to limit discussion of the "lab leak" hypothesis, it was pretty damn ineffective, since I was aware of discussions of it-- in the press and by prominent social media figures--all the way through the pandemic.

Attempts to quell the discussion, such as there were, were based on 1) sincere belief that it was wrong; 2) worries about downplaying the future danger of naturally-occurring zoonotic spillover 3) encouraging maximum participation of the Chinese government in international containment and recovery efforts.