Do not normalize children dying from measles. Measles was previously eliminated in the US, thanks to vaccines.

When children die from measles, it means that adults have catastrophically failed to protect them because they have rejected basic science.

@luckytran That's a very generous way of saying "adults have murdered them"..

@dalias @luckytran murder implies malicious intent. words are important

edit: this is also not how you convince people they are wrong, for better or worse, you are only alienated and (in their mind) vindicating their choices.

@etsyy @dalias @luckytran Agree 💯%.

But to be fair, it’s extremely rare that anyone becomes convinced they were wrong. Especially so for people susceptible to conspiracy beliefs.

@marshray @etsyy @luckytran Yeah I'm not trying to convince the antivaxxers they're wrong.

I'm trying to convince reasonable people that we should treat antivaxxers as murderers.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran and that's wrong
@etsyy @marshray @luckytran I guess we have differing opinions/values here.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran from a legal perspective, negligence and manslaughter, sure. consequences for their actions, of course. but using murder minimizes actual murder.

from a societal perspective, this is just an unhelpful and divisive attitude.

@etsyy @marshray @luckytran Accomplices to murder if you prefer.

But there absolutely is malice and intent to cause death behind the movement, from the top and from the people funding it and installing antivaxxers in positions of power.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran perhaps, but that's a different conversation.

@dalias @marshray @luckytran we are talking about everyday people who have been led astray with misinformation and the exploitation of their proclivity to conspiracy and science denial. they are victims of their circumstances and to elites that benefit from these dangerous views.

if you want to move the goalpost to those who implemented these policies and encouraged these viewpoints, then I can absolutely agree in that regard.