Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 30th March 2025

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Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 30th March 2025 - awful.systems

Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret. Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no. If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high. > The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be) > > Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them. (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

The Phony Comforts of AI Optimism

A few months ago, Casey Newton of Platformer ran a piece called "The phony comforts of AI skepticism," framing those who would criticize generative AI as "having fun," damning them as "hyper-fixated on the things [AI] can't do." I am not going to focus too hard on this blog, in

Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At
The whole CoreWeave affair (and the AI business in general) increasingly remind me of this potion shop, only with literally everyone playing the role of the idiot gnomes.
When Netflix inevitably makes a true-crime Ziz movie, they should give her a 69 Dodge Charger and call it The Dukes of InfoHazard
Nah, to keep with the times it should be a matte black Tesla Model 3 with the sith empire insignia on top and a horn that plays the imperial march.

Now this really captures the mood.

I have to insist on window entry, though. For historical reasons.

Considering Tesla’s well-documented issues with functional door handles, this may be more accurate than you think
Why make a true crime movie when you can do a heavily editorialized ‘documentary’ for a fraction of the price.
practical downside: too easily seen as a mockumentary

Redis guy AntiRez issues a heartfelt plea for the current AI funders to not crash and burn when the LLM hype machine implodes but to keep going to create AGI:

antirez.com/news/148

Neither HN nor lobste.rs are very impressed

AI is useless, but it is our best bet for the future - <antirez>

Ultra-rare footage of orange site having a good take for once:

Top-notch sneer from lobsters’ top comment, as well (as of this writing):

You want my opinion, I expect AntiRez’ pleas to fall on deaf ears. The AI funders are only getting funded due to LLM hype - when that dies, investors’ reason to throw money at them dies as well.

"but it is our best bet for the future" is stolen IP and shattered privacy our b... | Hacker News

lol @ the implication that chatbots will definitely invent magitech that will solve climate change, just burn another billion dollars in energy and silicon, please guys i don’t want to go to prison for fraud and share cell with sbf and diddy

who is this guy anyway, is he in openai/similar inner circle or is that just some random rationalist fanboy?

Yeah, find odd how people dont seem to get that this llm stuff makes AGI less likely, not more. We put all the money, comute, and data in it, this branch does not lead to AGI.
but but this branch brings more hype money, it’s earn to give, you know nothing about effective altruism /s
I have been achtually it was a stately homed, and stand corrected my bad people. I will start to drill oil to give.
Just think of how much more profit you could make to address environmental issues by forgoing basic safety and ecological protections. Who needs blowout preventers anyway?
Remember, cleaning up oilspills is good for the GDP.
They don’t call it the Clean Domestic Product

who is this guy anyway, is he in openai/similar inner circle or is that just some random rationalist fanboy?

His grounds for notability are that he’s a dev who back in the day made a useful thing that went on to become incredibly widely used.

Also burning only a billion more would be a steal given some of the numbers thrown around.

Also he wrote borderline anti-woke stuff back when doing that could still appear edgy and icky.

Dem pundits go on media tour to hawk their latest rehash of supply-side econ - and decide to break bread with infamous anti-woke “ex” race realist Richard Hanania

A quick sample of people rushing to defend this:

Supply-side progressivism - Wikipedia

tracing going all in on left wing people aren’t real they can’t hurt you
Dems do literally anything to materially oppose fascism, even in the most minuscule way challenge (impossible)

@swlabr

Are they all truly “Dem pundits”? Or just assumed to be/claim to be?

The pundits in question are Derek Thompson and Ezra Klein. More accurately speaking they are liberals.

@swlabr

Ah okay. I thought one might be Yglesias and who knows where his politics truly are.

Don’t worry, they are buddies
What abundance means to me

The factional stakes of two smart, mild-mannered new books

Slow Boring
I almost forgot how exhausting TW was.
At least he is using LLMs to blast away what is left of his critical thinking skills. If the effect is real he will be a vegetable in a week.

Who in specific do you see voting for the next Dem who did not vote for Kamala?

Some of the 19 million 2020 Biden voters who didn’t vote in 2024? Maybe some of the 5-6 million they lost one the issue of aiding and arming a genocide in Gaza?

No, going more Nazi must be the way. Much wise, much centrist.

I gave him a long enough chance to prove his views had changed to go read Hanania’s actual feed. Pinned tweet is bitching about liberals canceling people. Just a couple days ago he was on a podcast bitching about trans people and talking about how it’s great to be a young broke (asian) woman because you can be exploited by rich old (white) men.

So yeah he’s totally not a piece of shit anymore. Don’t even worry about it.

AI slop in Springer books:

Our library has access to a book published by Springer, Advanced Nanovaccines for Cancer Immunotherapy: Harnessing Nanotechnology for Anti-Cancer Immunity.  Credited to Nanasaheb Thorat, it sells for $160 in hardcover: link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-86185-7

From page 25: “It is important to note that as an AI language model, I can provide a general perspective, but you should consult with medical professionals for personalized advice…”

None of this book can be considered trustworthy.

mastodon.social/…/114217609254949527

Originally noted here: hci.social/@peterpur/114216631051719911

Advanced Nanovaccines for Cancer Immunotherapy

This book discusses how nanomedicine can be used for better drug delivery, to overcome resistance and to boost anti-cancer immunity.

SpringerLink
I should add that I have a book published with Springer. So, yeah, my work is being directly devalued here. Fun fun fun.
New Textbook | Science After Sunclipse

On the other hand, your book gains value by being published in 2021, i.e. before ChatGPT. Is there already a nice term for “this was published before the slop flood gates opened”? There should be.

(I was recently looking for a cookbook, and intentionally avoided books published in the last few years because of this. I figured that the genre is a too easy target for AI slop. But that not even Springer is safe anymore is indeed very disappointing.)

Is there already a nice term for “this was published before the slop flood gates opened”? There should be.

“Pre-slopnami” works well enough, I feel.

Can’t wait until someone tries to Samizdat their AI slop to get around this kind of test.

AI bros are exceedingly lazy fucks by nature, so this kind of shit should be pretty rare. Combined with their near-complete lack of taste, and the risk that such an attempt succeeds drops pretty low.

(Sidenote: Didn’t know about Samizdat until now, thanks for the new rabbit hole to go down)

I find absolutely consistently that gen-AI advocates are literally unable to tell good output from bad output. They think people who say their output is garbage are just lying to have a go at them. - awful.systems

xcancel: https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1899535387435086115 [https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1899535387435086115]

hand-writing your original manuscript

The revenge of That One Teacher who always rode you for having terrible handwriting.

Can we make “low-background media” a thing?
There aren’t really many other options besides Springer and self-publishing for a book like that, right? I’ve gotten some field-specific article compilations from CRC Press, but I guess that’s just an imprint of Routledge.
i have coauthorship on a book released by Wiley - they definitely feed all of their articles to llms, and it’s a matter of time until llm output gets there too
What happened was that I had a handful of articles that I couldn’t find an “official” home for because they were heavy on the kind of pedagogical writing that journals don’t like. Then an acqusitions editor at Springer e-mailed me to ask if I’d do a monograph for them about my research area. (I think they have a big list of who won grants for what and just ask everybody.) I suggested turning my existing articles into textbook chapters, and they agreed. The book is revised versions of the items I already had put on the arXiv, plus some new material I wrote because it was lockdown season and I had nothing else to do. Springer was, I think, the most likely publisher for a niche monograph like that. One of the smaller university presses might also have gone for it.

Stackslobber posts evidence that transhumanism is a literal cult, HN crowd is not having it

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43459990

The Tranhumanist Cult Test | Hacker News

Here’s the link, so you can read Stack’s teardown without giving orange site traffic:

…substack.com/…/the-tranhumanist-cult-test

The Tranhumanist Cult Test

Transhumanism is put through the 8-point test to see if it is a cult

UNTOPIA
Note I am not endorsing their writing - in fact I believe the vehemence of the reaction on HN is due to the author being seen as one of them.
I read through a couple of his fiction pieces and I think we can safely disregard him. Whatever insights he may have into technology and authoritarianism appear to be pretty badly corrupted by a predictable strain of antiwokism. It’s not offensive in anything I read - he’s not out here whining about not being allowed to use slurs - but he seems sufficiently invested in how authoritarians might use the concerns of marginalized people as a cudgel that he completely misses how in reality marginalized people are more useful to authoritarian structures as a target than a weapon.

I used to think transhumanism was very cool because escaping the misery of physical existence would be great. for one thing, I’m trans, and my experience with my body as such has always been that it is my torturer and I am its victim. transhumanism to my understanding promised the liberation of hundreds of millions from actual oppression.

then I found out there was literally no reason to expect mind uploading or any variation thereof to be possible. and when you think about what the rest of transhumanism is, there’s just nothing to get excited about. these people don’t have any ideas or cogent analysis, just a powerful desire to evade limitations. it’s inevitable that to the extent they cohere they’re a cult: they’re just a variety of sovereign citizen

(Geordi LaForge holding up a hand in a “stop” gesture) transhumanism

(Geordi LaForge pointing as if to say "now there’s an idea) trans humanism

my experience with my body as such has always been that it is my torturer and I am its victim.

(side note, gender affirming care resolved this. in my case HRT didn’t really help by itself, but facial feminization surgery immediately cured my dysphoria. also for some reason it cured my lower back pain)

Wanting to escape the fact that we are beings of the flesh seems to be behind so much of the rationalist-reactionary impulse – a desire to one-up our mortal shells by eugenics, weird diets, ‘brain uploading’ and something like vampirism with the Bryan Johnson guy. It’s wonderful you found a way to embrace and express yourself instead! Yes, in a healthier relationship with our bodies – which is what we are – such changes would be considered part of general healthcare. It sometimes appears particularly extreme in the US from here from Europe at least, maybe a heritage of puritanical norms.
also cryonics and “enhanced games” as non-FDA testing ground. i’ve never seen anyone in more potent denial of their own mortality than Peter Thiel. behind the bastards four-parter on him dissects this
I haven’t spent a lot of time sneering at transhumanism, but it always sounded like thinly veiled ableism to me.
Only as a subset of the broader problem. What if, instead of creating societies in which everyone can live and prosper, we created people who can live and prosper in the late capitalist hell we’ve already created! And what if we embraced the obvious feedback loop that results and call the trillions of disposable wireheaded drones that we’ve created a utopia because of how high they’ll be able to push various meaningless numbers!
considering how hard even the “good” ones are on eugenics, it’s not veiled

In my head transhumanism is this cool idea where I’d get to have a zoom function in my eye

But of course none of that could exist in our capitalist hellscape because of just all the reasons the ruling class would use it to opress the working class.

And then you find out what transhumanists actually advocate for and it’s just eugenics. Like without even a tiny bit of plausible deniability. They’re proud it’s eugenics.

@[email protected] yeah quite a few people have seen only the very top surface of transhumanism, and then sun it off with their own ideas and world building without engaging on a deeper level sometimes intentionally sometimes not

I, like many trans people I'd suspect just wanted out of this unsatisfying body and didn't engage beyond that to any meaningful level
@V0ldek @gerikson This "transhimanist" craze happened after I left the country 35 years ago, so please take this as the voice of sanity. When I hear this word, I think of the Borg. I also think of Jeri Ryan"a life experience, I'm not sure why.
@fgbjr @V0ldek @gerikson A reminder that casting Jeri Ryan could be seen, if you squint, as leading to the election of Barack Obama as President of the United States. https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/posts/voyager-kicked-off-a-butterfly-effect-that-ended-with-obama-becoming-president-01hn8tvncaya
Voyager kicked off a butterfly effect that ended with Obama becoming president

Star Trek: Voyager's retooling that brought in reformed Borg drone Seven of Nine was the first first link in a chain reaction that ended with the election of Barack Obama. The global political landscape is truly governed by chaos.

Redshirts Always Die
@V0ldek @gerikson after reading a book written in Cyberpunk 2077 universe, I had bitter though about why the hell we couldn't have cool body modifications if we already have to live in cyberpunk world. But cyberpunk things we could have are surveillance and powerful corporations.
@madargon @V0ldek @gerikson @techtakes Obviously you read the wrong cyberpunk. (Go root out Bruce Sterling's short story "20 Evocations", collected in Schismatrix Plus, and you'll see an assassin having his arms and legs repossessed because he can't kill enough people to keep up with the loan repayment schedule …)