PastafARRianBarack Obama celebrates 15 year anniversary of ACA by joining BlueSky
RivalarrivalThe ACA was the best that could be done at the time, but it is a steaming turd and needs to be replaced with Universal Healthcare.
It is universal. I guarantee you Obama would agree 100% with a European style single payer system, which is what I think you mean.
It’s not universal, it’s based on income. When I signed up for the ACA I put down my income at $3,000 a month, which makes my monthly bill $30.19 a month. If my average income for the year exceeds $3,000, I owe the difference to the government.
My small income works for me because I live alone and don’t have any dependents. But if I had kids I would need to double or triple my income to support them, in which case my monthly ACA payment would also increase. A lot of people with families are priced out of the ACA.
It’s definitely not universal.
True, it’s universal but garbage. So not really universal.
No, it’s neither universal nor garbage. You didn’t bother to read my comment. If you had, you would’ve seen me mention how I pay $30.19 a month for health insurance. That is a fantastic deal. The ACA works well for people like me, it just has a limited scope and sends tax payer dollars to greedy health insurance companies.
That is not a fantastic deal. When insurers are denying 1/3 of claims, and providers are charging insured rates 10 times higher than uninsured rates, that is not a good deal at all.
It is a travesty that government props up this horseshit system. They should be arresting everyone involved with the health insurance industry for perpetrating a massive fraud on the American people.
Where are you getting $30 a month? When i looked at it, the chealest is like $300 with a $10k deductible
Washington State. My deductible is $600. It’s income based, so my low rate requires me to make very little. That is fine with me, since I have no desire to work more than 32 hours a week and I’ve learned how to live cheaply.
The insurance my job offered me is $100 a month with a $4,500 deductible, which is absolutely awful in comparison.
$300 before or after the subsidy?
Cruxifuxlol do you guys seriously still have deductibles with the affordable care act? God I feel for you guys sometimes.
What I especially love is that providers charge a much higher price if you use insurance. A $100 procedure becomes a $1000 procedure if you try to use insurance to pay for it. Then your insurance says “sorry, you haven’t reached your deductible”, and the provider bills you the full amount.
That sounds like a fucking nightmare.
You can wake up from a nightmare.
Boomer Humor DoomergodNah that would hurt our GDP too much and eliminate too many jobs.
Yeah might as well feed all those poor people to the GDP machine.
Think about the poor GDP!
You know how we can help the GDP? I’ll kick you in the nuts for $100, and then you can punch me in the nose for $100.
Then we’ll have increased the GDP by $200!
It is not universal. There is a coverage gap just below the poverty line, between losing eligibility for Medicaid, and becoming eligible for ACA premium subsidies. Just a complete lack of coverage for the people with the greatest need.
The fundamental reliance on private insurers is the biggest gap in universality. Public healthcare is subject to the private sector’s willingness to permit treatment.
wizardbeardGood old “welfare cliff”. It works this way with a lot of low income benefits.
Welp I learn something every day. Thanks for sharing.
What you learned is incomplete: the coverage gap only exists in states that chose not to expand Medicaid coverage, aka those with republican legislatures. As written, the ACA would subsidize an increasing fraction of health insurance cost until someone’s income was a certain level above the poverty line. If their income fell below this level, they would get coverage through Medicaid instead.
Medicaid historically didn’t cover people with incomes this high, so the ACA expanded coverage to higher income residents. The federal government covered 100% of the cost of Medicaid expansion for the first ~decade, and then 90% after that. Several states sued and the supreme court struck down part of the law that required states to go along with this. So they had to opt in to Medicaid expansion. The ones that didn’t (republican state govts) now have a coverage gap.
Its unfortunate because it harms those who needed help the most, but its a consequence of republicans at the state level for refusing expansion, and at republicans at the federal level for refusing to allow any changes to the ACA that would fix the issue.
America: The best we can do is a steaming turd
But did you say thank you today to the president?
Thanks Obama.
I disagree. Democrats had the presidency, the house and the senate (filibuster proof). They chose a republican friendly solution that was just a bandaid on a broken system.
All it did was piss off republicans and give them a rallying point while doing nothing to encourage democrats to vote.
They should have had the balls to create a system that actually fixed the problems, but they didn’t.
[deleted] in lemmyThere were like one or two very conservative Dems who derailed the single payer option when they had the filibuster proof majority. The main problem is not getting a solid party wide understanding of the goals they are aiming for ahead of the chances to do something about it.
you mean like the suddenly 10 conservative democrats who just voted to allow trump to continue dismantling the government? including the leader in the senate schumer? stop excusing their lack of accomplishing on a few bad applies. the bulk of the party is rotten.
Democrats played controlled opposition and the normie still dont see it.
God I hate the term normies. It’s such a chronically online term. And it’s absolutely not normal to be so fucking stupid as to not realize that the democrats are controlled opposition. Every other country in the world can see it.
Joe Lieberman said no to single payer... He is the one who blocked it from happening because his state had some insurance companies.
But bootlickers running around frothing their their mouth how this is the best republicans would permit us to have 🤡
He was also an Independent and not a Democrat.
Political party
Democratic (1960–2006, from 2013)
Independent (2006–2013)
Thats what I said. The ACA was in 2010.
Meanwhile Republicans can dissolve the Department of Education with a bare majority in both houses…
Yeah the Republicans are basically one mind. I think I remember hearing about Karl Rove back in the day going around to Republicans that didn’t follow that they would take them out if they didn’t toe the party line. I think it’s only gotten worse since then with only the sycophants left.
Dems are different. Like there’s no reason Bernie and AOC would be in the same party of Pelosi and Schumer but they are. This leads to compromises being necessary on the democratic party. Also, the voters for the Dems are just as diverse as no one ever seems happy with them either.
Maybe Dems should clean house
If you mean the progressive arm of the democratic party, then yes :)
I wanted to say the old people need to go but Bernie is old and I don’t want him going anywhere.
Actually no, It was an independent who killed the Public Option vote. There was one Dem who opposed the rules in the original bill around Abortion but he still voted yay in the end and Joe Lieberman was the Nay vote. Because they only reached 59 it was filibustered, so they clearly were not filibuster-proof.
The last time DNC had an actual 60 without caucus was 1979.
They only had a filibuster-proof senate counting the independent Joe Lieberman who caucused with democrats. Lieberman (and a few other dems tbh) wouldn’t support a single payer system, so the ACA was the best they could do.
☂️-controlled opposition.
the umpteenth bill to repeal it was introduced on jan 3rd but Luigi happened, ao I think they decided to put it on the backburner.
dohpaz42IIRC, at the time Dems had the majority and still the ACA got bastardized before the pubes would let it pass. Personally, I’d consider it a failure.
ACA actually took a supermajority to pass, meaning the 58 Dems and 2 Independents of 2010 senate. They definitely faced the consequences of it, too, since they haven’t even gotten 50 senators in an election since the 2013 congress.
Is this what this ACA shill op is about lol
Pathetic fail
Small progress is progress. Did we need universal healthcare 15 years ago? Absolutely. Is Obama a great president anyways? You bet.
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People do remember that we ended up with a more conservative system than his Republican opponent wanted, right?
Dems defending the ACA and refusing to keep working on healthcare is a large reason why trump won.
Not to even get into how it’s been almost 20 years and the “incremental improvements” that dem ACA detractors never happened, they never even worked towards them…
Every time an elected moderate/neolineral speaks, they’re lying to someone. If they were honest they’d never get elected, at least not with a D next to their name
I’m more excited that Obama joined BlueSky but yes we’re long overdue for actual universal healthcare legislation. Like 15 years overdue.
Thanks for dropping the “public option” after going into closed door negotiations with the insurance companies for three weeks and coming out with a mandate handing them millions of new captive market participants and putting few, very sacred few limitations or regulatory requirements for how to run their industry. Thanks for dismantling your campaign infrastructure when the GOP started playing “the heel”.
This is the reason why he stopped Bernie. He (and many others in the Democratic Party leadership) knew that only a huge populist movement like Bernie’s could tear power out of the hands of financial/industrial Oligarchs. He’s terrified that if we get some variation of universal healthcare in his lifetime, EEEEEEEVERYONE is going to go back through all that bullshit they said, all the excuses they made, and rub their faces in it. Not only that but also most of these crooked politicians are heeeeaaavily invested in the various private healthcare companies.
I am not a particularly religious person, but I know this to be true: You can’t serve two masters.
I recall they had to drop the public option after Ted Kennedy died and they no longer had a supermajority in the Senate. To get around a Republican filibuster, they had to rely on a less than ideal version of the bill through the reconciliation process
This is the constant Democratic Party refrain. We sure wish we could have done {insert good thing} but when the iron was hot, by golly, we just couldn’t find our hammer.
Then the iron got cold so we had to, shucks, pass a version of the bill that was much more attractive to our donors and screw over the voters.
Golly gee willickers, what rotten luck.
Meanwhile the GOP with the slimmest majority and 3 turncoat Dems. “Time to rewrite the tax code, no need to type it up frank just scribble it in the margin, we will figure out how many billions to give the wealthy once it’s passed”
Except that is literally what happened. Kennedy died while they were negotiating the bill with the GOP (that was fucking stupid and pointless. They got zero GOP votes). Massachusetts has a special election and barely elects Scott brown® to fill the seat for 2 years, the first time in 50+ years the state had a GOP senator (Of course, 2 years later, they vote him out. They had a GOP senator just long enough to break the Dems super majority and kill single payer. Thanks massholes.)
So who does that leave as the deciding vote? The “Independent” Joe Lieberman of connecticut, who was heavily funded by insurance companies HQ’d in his state, and refused to vote for the bill with single payer attached.
So Obama, being the poster boy of “compromise can save us”(also fucking stupid), went ahead as is and pulled it out.
That’s the actual history. Dems fucked up by trying to find middle ground with the GOP, back when social media didn’t have everyone in a vise and you could still lie yourself that that was possible.
Yea the part I’m talking about is when instead of just passing a bill to fix the problem they spent time negotiating with the GOP.
Instead of striking while the iron was hot, you know, passing a bill when they had a super majority. They waited until they lost their super majority, then decided that the filibuster was so sacrosanct that they had to pass a watered down bill that entrenches the power of the insurance companies.
Let not forget that at the time when the Dems were fucking around negotiating with the gop they had said publicly that their primary goal was to obstruct the Obama presidency. That’s also what literally happened.
Agreed. The Obama admin fucked that up by trying to “extend an olive branch” when the gop was slashing at them with knives.
They knew the knives were out, but thought they could turn the other cheek. The sad part is that some of these ancient fucks still think this works. They have nostalgia for the “good ol days” when social media was called “Friendster,” smart phones barely existed, and scandal was something that mattered. That time doesnt exist anymore.
Its knives out now, and anyone who doesn’t have a shiv in hand is gonna be dead soon, one way or another.
It was passed without Republican support, any negotiations were theater because they were bought and payed for. Fuck the ACA.
Ricky Rigatoniwhy is it the only kennedies who died were the ones who didn’t deserve it
The ACA did NOT pass via reconciliation. It passed with supermajority after the DNC convinced 2 independents to vote with them.
I don’t think it’s a pride thing as much as it is a money thing.
That’s not true at all, they never had a true supermajority because they only had 58 DNC, to begin with and the caucusing Independent Joe Lieberman voted against Public Option making it dead in the water.
I guarantee you that if you supported the DNC long enough to get an actual 60 supermajority the likes of which have not been achieved since 1979, then all of your current worries would become a thing of the past.
If you go to Blue sky, you’ll see a bunch of people who don’t understand it took a lot of bobbitting to get a deal the GoP couldn’t fuck with, and it was very basic and only helped the poorest Americans. It was the barest start of many things to come, which didn’t.
It’s important to keep that mind-boggling amount of compromise in mind when looking backward, because that prez tried staying within and respecting the government system. This is what it was before absolutely shitting on the three branches became the norm.
bobbitting
what did they need all the severed dicks for?