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Andrea Junker 
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but “I was only following orders” was rejected as a defense at the Nuremberg Trials.
Tobin Baker@Strandjunker which is why US military are trained to refuse illegal orders (I bet that would make Trump's head explode)
tessarakt@tobinbaker @Strandjunker German civil servants are personally responsible for the legality of their official acts, unless an order is confirmed upon protest.
Petr Tesarik@tessarakt @tobinbaker @Strandjunker Does it help? WWII Nazis were almost obsessed with law. Every atrocity was legal. In fact, thanks to their following the law, their deeds were documented so well that they could be held accountable afterwards.
@ptesarik @tobinbaker @Strandjunker Yeah, that's called "Aktenmäßigkeit der Verwaltung" (principle that public administration is based on files and in writing), see https://www.olev.de/s/schriftlichkeit.htm . It's part of the rule of law and serves as a safeguard facilitating accountability.
Martin Rust"Service members have a legal, enforceable duty to obey only lawful orders from those authorized to give orders (violating them is prosecutable by court-martial under Articles 90 and 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice), and a legal excuse (and moral grounds) for disobedience under the limited circumstances of receiving an unlawful order. The issue of presidential immunity for the commander in chief—whether absolute or presumed—is absolutely irrelevant to the underlying lawfulness of the order itself."
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/can-the-military-disobey-orders-in-the-seal-team-6-hypothetical
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫I hope someone points out that
1. Treaties between countries are law within the countries that sign them,
2. the NATO treaty requires members to resolve disputes diplomatically
3. therefore any order to carry out military action against another NATO country is an illegal order and must be refused, REGARDLESS of what the president says, even if it comes directly from him.
🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🐧 🥦@Strandjunker The United States also executed the Rosenbergs for treason.
Lê Fê is back
Bill Zaumen@Methylcobalamin @Strandjunker The Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage, not treason: treason has a very specific definition stated in the U.S. Constitution and for technical reasons, what they did was not treason. At the time the U.S. Constitution was written treason was being used in England to get rid of the king's political opponents, and we didn't want charges of treason to be used in that way here.
George Tataje@Strandjunker Whenever anyone says that, I remind them of the fact that that's what the NAZIs used to say...
DoesThisNeedAGround?@Strandjunker Same thing goes to the voters. Your ignorance does not pardon you from the consequences of your vote. The only reason you feel less guilty or accountable for the damage and suffering your vote caused is because it's distributed across your fellow voters, you are still equally responsible.
Daedalean@Strandjunker and while trump may have been given immunity by a joke of a SCOTUS, his cabinet on down have not.
auser@Strandjunker The problem is that there are no Tirals happening now.
NymanTech@Strandjunker Everybody. Every single person in the U.S.of A. needs to hear that.
Luna chan@Strandjunker I think when this is over most of DOGE will be serving time in prison.
Wm.sonOne would hope so, but dear leader has done so much wrong and hasn't seen a jail cell...
@Strandjunker I'm not remembering the recent event causing your recall of This
jdb@Strandjunker
... and later in France at Maurice Papon's trial. He was a prefect under Vichy govt during wwII, and was keen to be ahead of demands from Vichy.
This is a question I am asking myself : when (if not already done) things go weird here, what will be the proportion of followers vs protesters ?
Macron agenda has migrant hate, army budget ready (where does it come from ?), authoritarism and negationism.
Would be happy not to be right on this.
... and later in France at Maurice Papon's trial. He was a prefect under Vichy govt during wwII, and was keen to be ahead of demands from Vichy.
This is a question I am asking myself : when (if not already done) things go weird here, what will be the proportion of followers vs protesters ?
Macron agenda has migrant hate, army budget ready (where does it come from ?), authoritarism and negationism.
Would be happy not to be right on this.
Joe Brockmeier (@jzb)@Strandjunker I know *exactly* who needs to hear this, but they're not going to listen...
@martlund 🌲🐶🇸🇪🇨🇱🌈@Strandjunker Thinking about what stopped Hitler and what is needed to stop Rump
Alexander Goeres 𒀯@benny there are no germans in the usa ....
@benny this might be a common misunderstanding in the usa but there is nothing like an ethnic german. as long as they don't speak german anymore they have nothing to do with germany, no matter what they themselves might think