What's life like in advertising these days? When I was a child you could buy a commercial during the Saturday morning cartoons to sell your toy (or buy the whole cartoon) and you could put your car commercial on during the Evening News.

And you'd reach most of your "demographic."

But now? a maze of influencers and fragmented media (I don't think influencers really matter much, they are just the most familiar item in the new landscape for advertisers.)

The ability to hold a big audience in the millions of a predictable demographic is deeply sought after. To me that just seems like trying to wind the clock back to the 80s when things were simple.

Social media plays a huge role here, and that is exactly why I think we should promote the idea that advertising on social media is as rude as advertising at a funeral or bat mitzvah.

@futurebird feel free to ignore if this isn't the conversation you're looking for, but in my opinion all advertising is rude - we have the Internet now so we no longer need help finding products. It serves no socially useful purpose and should be simply banned. "simply" lol

@hjwp

I would be delighted if there were more restrictions on advertising:

* It should always be labeled "This is a paid advertisement."
* It should not target children, gamblers or make outlandish claims.
* It should not be on social media or built into apps.
* It should be subject to an obnoxious public review process.

Everything would just be better. People will pay for entertainment and games.

@futurebird @hjwp remember the old days where they had the “Best Commercial” shows. Ads were actually entertaining! They should be entertaining, to make me seek out the product, and associate that enjoyable experience with the thing. Instead these days ads have become *required*, I think that’s the thing that irritates me most.
@[email protected]@sauropods.win @[email protected]@fosstodon.org The industry doesn't want to pay attention to the study that shows people who block ads don't just buy better stuff, they're happier in general. Most people in the USA report they're running an ad blocker now https://blog.zgp.org/b-l-o-c-k-in-the-u-s-a/
B L O C K in the U S A

@futurebird @hjwp Also the "advertising" that people are blocking today is different from what "advertising" used to be. Fewer agency people, doing more ads each, means that each ad carries less info on brand quality and reputation, and it makes more sense to block them

source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vv7bWP7U0o

Michael Farmer Business Models Workstream

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@dmarti

A recent "favourite". An ad for an insurance company with someone shouting "we care about you", over and over again.

With the company name at beginning and end. Which I've forgotten.

@futurebird @hjwp

@EricLawton @futurebird @hjwp the ad industry has become creepy, dishonest, and otherwise harmful enough to establish a filter on people considering a career in advertising. In order to seriously consider working in advertising you have to be willing to participate in an industry that funds some of the worst people in the world. With that filter in place, not enough of the kinds of people who would have made creative ads are making it into the ad business, so you see crappier and crappier ads

@dmarti

True.

And it's become a harms race with support from a large branch of academic research in psychological tricks to manipulate attention and memory.

Along with the massive invasion of privacy to enable better "targeting". As in actual arms races.

@futurebird @hjwp

@EricLawton @futurebird @hjwp good point...the available wins from personalized ads are on the scale of differences in price+quality between legit products, the harms can be much larger https://blog.zgp.org/picking-up-cheap-shoes-in-front-of-a-steamroller/
picking up cheap shoes in front of a steamroller

@hjwp @futurebird

I work in (community) #TV (Australia)

We have let out sales staff go.
We no longer rely on Advertising for main income. We do get some money from Government ads.

Our main income streams are now training and production.
We do some promotion of artists for festivals, but it's programming rather than ads (eg. Interviews)

Selling Ads was nearly impossible.
TV ads are dead, they just don't know it yet.