Randahl FinkMar 7, 2025

We are 46 days into Trump ending the Ukraine war in 24 hours, and so far Trump has produced 0 concessions from Vladimir Putin.

But according to Trump, Ukraine must give up Crimea, give up NATO membership, give their minerals to the US, remove their president, and stop fighting Vladimir Putin, while he has time to build up a stronger force for attacking Ukraine.

This is not a peace deal. This is a Putin deal.

Show threadwindyMar 7, 2025

@randahl
Putin does not want all of Ukraine.
Ukraine has lost Crimea 10 years ago, Crimeans would refuse to go back to Ukraine.
The president of Ukraine is not a legitimate president (imagine if Trump were in that situation).
Why would Ukraine join NATO, an aggressive alliance that a.o. dreams to dismantle Russia?
Peace and understanding is the only winning way through.
imho

@DoomsdaysCW

Show threadDoomsdaysCWMar 7, 2025
If you think Putin is going to stop at Crimea, I have news for you. Putin has made it quite clear what his goals are. As for legitimacy, Putin assassinated and jailed opponents. I'd say PutieToot is quite illegitimate. I agree with you on many subjects, @windy, but not seeing Putin for what he is seems like sticking one's head in the sand...
cc: @randahl
Show threadwindyMar 7, 2025

@DoomsdaysCW @randahl So, we totally disagree on Putin's intentions.

Disagreeing is a good thing, it pushes us to listen, and reply and even question our views. I deeply thank you, really, I'm not ironic, this is important, at least to me it is.

Show threadDoomsdaysCWMar 7, 2025
@windy Trust me, I'm not a big NATO fan. And I'm not a Russophobe (I can even read the Russian language). But I do have friends from both Russia and Ukraine, and Putin has been awful with his own people, as well as the Ukrainians. Putin makes no secret of his Tsarist intentions. Just like King Trump!
Show threadwindyMar 7, 2025

@DoomsdaysCW Ok, I follow you up to that point. I know Ukrainians and Russians too. And yes, I follow you there. Ukrainians have also been awful with Ukrainians. I wouldn't liked to live say three years ago as a Russian-culture Ukrainian in the Donbas regions. I know people who are glad that nightmare is over.

I lived in Belgium where there are three communities living side-by-side. And although there are many cohabitation difficulties, I know there is an alternative to persecution.

Show threadDoomsdaysCW
@windy And yeah, I'm well aware of the attacks on Roma by Ukrainian far-right types. There are bad seeds in every society -- but they don't represent the majority (I hope).
Mar 7, 2025 at 5:04pmWeb
Show threadwindyMar 7, 2025
@DoomsdaysCW I wasn't even thinking of the Roma. The Russian communities in Eastern Ukraine were persecuted up until the invasion. Zelinski was elected on the promise he'd implement the Minsk agreements. Instead of that, he setup a system of persecution, f.i. forbidding the teaching of Russian language. That kind of measure alone would create a revolution in Belgium. What would France do if the French speaking community in Belgium were to call for help if teaching French were to be forbidden?
Show threadPetr Menšík Mar 7, 2025
@windy @DoomsdaysCW except Putler used the same excuse to seize it's smaller neighbor, like Hitler used before the WW2 start in Czechoslovakia. Could offer help on their side of border. Obviously Russian language suppression were just excuse for tanks anyway. Putler never intended to help people living anywhere in UA but to restore Sajuz.