Buy-European.netEuropean alternatives to non-European apps (2.0)
NewDayUnfortunately, the PeerTube community is inactive and small. There are basically no interesting videos at all.
squirrel[email protected] is quite active and tries to highlight interesting content.
Thanks, I will try it out.
hobovisionSorry but 2 posts in the last week can hardly be considered quite active.
Yep, as it doesn’t have a monetization incentive it will be never that appealing. There should be a way for authors to earn money.
monetizing life led to the shittiness. don’t do it again.
Monetizing leads to being able to pay bills. Don’t you think authors deserve being paid for the content if they wish so? Besides Google managing of youtube is cause of shittiness. Personally I would be fine with a subscription as long as artists get most of it.
it doesn’t need to be built in. there’s already a section to add Support links.
How do support links work?
just external links to donate sites, patreons, Kofi, etc.
Yeah, that does not and will not work, at least not on scale. Think about an average user - do you think he/she will donate to each video he/she watches, perhaps on TV?
But if the model is a subscription one (think Netflix, Tidal, Spotify, heck, perhaps even YouTube and so on, with amount being fairly distributed to authors), then it just might work.
cool, good luck with that. i’m happy the way it is.
It’s true that the monetisation of everything is pretty awful, but it’s one of the most important reasons to join a platform for content creators whether we like it or not.
The main reason to join a platform for a creator is the amount of the potential viewers, which of course don’t increase much without new content creators. Therefore Peertube needs a secondary reason for creators to join, which it doesn’t seem to have.
If anything, joining Peertube will in theory decrease their income, which actually gives them a reason to not join :(
at this point in my life, i just can’t care about catering once again to capitalism. i’m basically out of that game and encourages others to do the same.
youtube worked because it was fun to make videos for each other as a community. that’s what peertube brings back and i prefer it that way rather than the attention-addicted sickness it has become.
𝗧𝗼𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿 *𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛Monetization is in the pipeline for PeerTube. Since viewers share parts of the video with other viewer peers (like torrenting), viral videos do not cost PeerTube servers like they would on YouTube.
Can not agree more. When I open YouTube and see the amount of clickbait previews, badly cut and created content and just copies left n right I loose all interest
It’s not about monetisation. It’s about audience. Who is going to bother to host an instance and post to a platform where the most popular videos only get 100 views?
SepiaSeach will search a large number of instances for content. Not a bad start for peertube. But I do agree that it’s hard to find good content there.
MeldrikThat’s not true. Check out the pinned post at [email protected] for a list of content creators. Also check out the home page of PeerTube.wtf that also has a list of content creators.
PeerTube - Lemmy.wtf
[https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/95935a65-bee4-4af1-a483-1547351e046f.png] PeerTube is a tool for sharing online videos developed by Framasoft [https://framasoft.org/], a french non-profit. # Rules - Only posts about PeerTube. - Be nice. For videos from PeerTube, check out [email protected] [/c/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/c/peertube] # Resources - Official website [https://joinpeertube.org/] - Documentation [https://docs.joinpeertube.org/] - Forum [https://framacolibri.org/c/peertube/38] - FAQ [https://joinpeertube.org/faq] - Sepia Search [https://sepiasearch.org/] (Search engine) —
Missing out the big one here - Spotify is also European fyi.
no bananaI told OP this in previous post; Spotify gave money to Trumps’ inauguration. That’s why it was removed.
We learn and iterate. Thanks for the feedback! We still list Spotify in the database but plan to include quality factors in the (probably not so near) future as well to better differentiate between “European address” and “European commitment”.
What the heck is “European commitment”?
Production in EU, Production in Europe, Production outside Europe could be factors for example and is what I referred to as “European commitment” prior.
That’s a fair point.
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Interesting service! Good if you own a library of music.
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Buy-European.net@torrentialgrain @[email protected] We decided to focus on other services in the infographic due to feedback in the community critizing Spotify's donations for the Trump inauguration. Spotify is part of our database though.
The D Quuuuuillbut also platforms right wingers that had an impact on influencing our election. i get i shouldn’t be the one guiding boycotts of my own nation’s products, i’m just saying spotify has been antihelpful when it comes to the creation of this situation
Yeah I can totally understand that especially in relation to Rogan etc.
left Spotify for Deezer. Spotify owners are fashy.
I use Spotify Connect quite extensively to put music onto my radio without it being Bluetooth. Does Deezer have an equivalent?
i have no idea. 😅 www.deezer.com
JustEnoughDucksWhy don’t we include nestle then?
Just because it is European, doesn’t mean the company is worth a shit dripping down a wall.
Spotify is a shit company. Pays artists by far the lowest in the industry (especially if you take into account their scummy minimums, catches, and terms for smaller musicians), injects shitty AI songs into Spotify-made playlists so they won’t have to pay the artists the little they do, gives “donations” to fascists, and heavily invests in fucking war companies including partnering one who is essentially trying to make “the dark night” tracking machine to pair with AI assassination drones.
(Also side note, have you noticed all of these scummy surveillance companies making their names into very well-known references to pop culture so that all news stories on them are essentially lost to the pop culture void when searching for them? Palantir, helsing, etc…)
Yes, multiple people have pointed this out already and I’ve agreed with them. However I work in the music industry and Spotify is definitely not paying by far the lowest. By sheer volume they’re paying most of the share a song is earning nowadays and even on a per play basis they are fairly similar to their competitors, maybe slightly lower.
We can make the argument that revenue on a per stream basis is much too low in general and I would agree, but then we also have to rethink the entire pricing model.
OK, true Pandora pays the least, but Spotify is down there.
Spotify pays 0.3¢ per stream.
Tidal pays 1.3¢ per stream, 400% more
Qobuz is around 4¢ per stream, 300% more. Some regions can apparently go down to as little as 1¢ per stream, still much more.
Hell, apple music pays over double what Spotify does at 0.8¢
Yes it pay around what shitty US companies pay per stream, but the whole point of this point is that it is a bad standard. PLUS, these other services don’t have the “shit on small artists” policies like Spotify.
Let’s take a small artist that has 10k streams on Spotify and qobuz:
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on qobuz they earn more than 100 euros
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on Spotify they earn 0 euros
and anything above their minimum, does not earn the total, but the total - the minimum
A small artist that has 20k streams on the same two, and assume the Spotify stream minimum is 10k (IIRC it is a bit higher)
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on qobuz, they earn more than 200€
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on spotify, they earn about 30€
Your numbers are way off, where did you get them from?
Spotify was a massive donor to the Trump campaign and pays artists one of the lowest rates per song.
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Due to negative feedback in version 1.0 I removed it from the infographic. You can still find it in the database itself.
I think you should add it back. The negativity surrounding it reeks of propaganda.
It is still part of the database!
Ah, ok, cool.
especially Organic Maps, it’s got the most user-friendly UI out of the three
Thank you! We already had Organic Maps in the database but I will add OsmAnd and Magic Earth now.
MagicEarth is the european version of Waze.
Good to know. :)
Calling Peertube a Youtube alternative is just wrong. It is an alternative in theory but it probably doesn’t even have a milionth of the content that Youtube has.
That’s the problem with “the winner takes it all” on the Internet. Which European alternative would you suggest instead?
I’m not saying PeerTube is bad, but if I was a regular person that wanted an alternative to YouTube, going to PeerTube would be an annoying experience that will probably turn me off from it. You have to let people come with the appropriate expectations.
YouTube also didn’t have that variety and amount of videos when it started \o/
So? Again, peertube is great and I’m hoping it grows, but sending people ther as a YT alternative right now is just misleading, odyssey is much closer and even then I wouldn’t call it a real alternative yet.
Everybody should consider donating even €1 to PeerTube and/or Framasoft if they can.
There is no real YouTube alternative, unfortunately. The content makes a video platform great. No alternative video platform is anywhere close to YouTube in content diversity.
It’s unfortunately a very different situation to most other things. For example you can “simply” convince your circle of friends to use Threema. Try convincing your favorite Youtubers to post on any alternative platform and see how far you get.
I understand - my hope here would be we see „real“ content that is not clickbait optimized as there is no incentive on that
Dailymotion ?