The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk. So why wouldn’t everyone think it?

NATO is Russia/China’s greatest deterrent. It’s literally devastating to our national security to pull out–so clearly only a bad actor would want that… It’s pretty goddamn obvious.

The only person to talk about backing out of NATO since its creation has been Putin/Xi and Trump/Musk.

That’s not true. Ron/Rand Paul, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and a number of other paleocons have been championing this for decades.

Trump’s just the first guy to make it all the way to the White House with the view. But it isn’t unique to Trump, nor is it particularly unpopular. Lots of Americans, particularly poorer and more rural ones, see these foreign alliances as an unnecessary extravagance.

NATO is Russia/China’s greatest deterrent.

What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?

That’s not true.

I was being facetious.

What is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization detering China from doing, exactly?

Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldn’t be doing. China literally just says sometimes “Hey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckin’ shame if we took it…” and then just pretends like that land has always been a part of China. They literally do it all the time. They’re attempting to expand their empire and without the presence of NATO, there would be no one to stop them… Especially from capturing strategic or necessary assets that are critical to the US, like Taiwan. If we lose Taiwan we’re pretty much omega-fucked and I don’t think people appreciate that fact enough.

NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world and if we pull out, it’s like taking all the ammo out of our really big guns. It’s such an astonishingly stupid move I cannot even believe that anyone with a pulse would or even could support it. It leaves me fuckin’ bewildered.

Anything in the South China Sea or the Indo-Pacific that they shouldn’t be doing.

Such as? What isn’t China doing that they would be doing without British or French intervention?

China literally just says sometimes “Hey, nice land you got there. Would be a fuckin’ shame if we took it…”

You sure you’re not confusing China with the United States?

NATO is the largest nuclear deterrent in the world

Deterant to what? They certainly didn’t keep Russia out of Georgia, Crimea, or the Donbas.