Are there any coherent arguments against taxing very high incomes and wealth, to reduce social inequality ?

I don't think so. Three of the main arguments are:
1. Income and wealth belong to individuals - tax is theft;
2. Individuals make better investment decisions than governments or other social bodies; and
3. Unless people keep all or most of the income and wealth they have gained there will be no incentive to work, so everybody gets poorer.

The first argument breaks down because all income and wealth is social in origin - most profit arises from business 'externalities' - unpaid labour in the home, state education, free use of resources, use of public roads and other infrastructure... None of the world's major industries would be profitable if they paid for their use of these free resources.

The second argument breaks down because private investment only goes after financial returns or hobby-horses (like space rockets) not wider priorities with no quick investment returns (like education, home insulation, rewilding) - and a lot goes on socially useless investment in assets like housing just to extract rents - a disutility for almost everyone.

The third argument is disproved by history. In the 'Trente Glorieuses' - the 30 years or so after the war - marginal tax rates on both income and property were 70-90%, even in the US - but these were exceptionally hard-working years, with high economic growth, improving living standards, better education, more caring societies, etc, etc... When taxes were reduced from the 1980s on, social progress began to reverse.

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@GeofCox The only coherent argument I have heard is that raising tax levels *may* reduce the total tax take, depending on the circumstances. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

But I think the US and UK are both *well* below the optimum point.

Laffer curve - Wikipedia

@mike

The Laffer curve is pure fiction - literally - it was just made up without any evidence.

@GeofCox Well, sure. But it captures a real thing: there does come a point _somewhere_ when increasing the tax rate reduces the take: after all, when income tax goes to 100%, no-one has any incentive to do paying work. The whole question is _where_ on the x-asis the maximum falls.

@mike

That's not true, because we're talking about marginal rates - on the first part(s) of income people pay the same rates as others with those levels of income.

The evidence is that at very high marginal rates (and they have been at 90%+) what happens is 'predistribution' - businesses simply stop paying excessively high salaries, and apply the money instead to other employees and other investments - one of the reasons that growth rates were generally higher when taxes were progressively higher.

@GeofCox Yes, which is brilliant. But it doesn't change that fact that at SOME point, people are going to just stop working. I'm all for redistribution, and would actively like to be taxed more myself (so long as others in my income bracket are also taxed more, obviously!), but there's no point in pretending that tax revenue is a well that can never run dry so long as we keep cranking the percentage up.

@mike

Ah - Where are you Mike ? In most countries that have their own currency tax 'revenue' is not a well - it doesn't 'pay for' public services - indeed, all the money we pay in tax is simply cancelled - destroyed. The real functions of tax are precisely to remove money from circulation (too much of which can lead to inflation) and to assist government policies (eg. making society more equal, or disincentivising smoking).

@mike @GeofCox A good chunk of income for the wealthiest is from capital gains type sources that don't require any work, though. If they could be incentivised to do something rather than just leech off others, that might be a good thing.
@mansr @GeofCox I broadly agree. It's always seemed silly to me that the passive income of capital gains is taxed LESS than active income from working.
@mike @GeofCox It's silly, but the reason is obvious: those who have lots of it are the ones making the rules.
@mike @GeofCox Oh, and it's not quite that simple. When the marginal tax hits 100%, you don't lose all incentive to work, you merely lose incentive to raise your prices.