Mozilla Introducing 'Terms of Use' to Firefox

https://lemmy.world/post/26091462

Mozilla Introducing 'Terms of Use' to Firefox - Lemmy.World

From the new terms: > When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

Bruh. Is there a Firefox fork on Android? I have Librewolf on desktop but I don’t think they have an Android app sadly.
Fennec is one for Android. Seems okay so far.
As another user mentioned, there’s Fennec. There’s also Iceraven.
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Doesn’t apply to forks, but still…
Fuck your Ai and your license agreement. Enshittification stops at no company.
Maybe going from community effort to company driven isn’t so great after all. people say that Open source projects need to do that to stay alive or be worth while. Though all that has been happening with companies lately points to a different conclusion.
It seems that every time a group says a project needs to be company driven, they always end up at the top of that company reaping in the profits.
It does seem that way sometimes, though mostly I was talking about stupid people online who claim to be open-source enthusiasts but still say that.
It was on the horizon ever since the new leadership took over. Sad but predictable.

I await to see technical enforcement of it. Anyone can write rules on a piece of paper, but without collecting information physically, or having someone enforce it, it’s useless words. And so far it seems a lot of people and companies make rules and claims without technological enforcement.

I imagine though at worst you can simply block all of mozilla’s domains through /etc/hosts and their IPs or IP range with a firewall rule. Still sucks but you do not need to comply with it, no matter what anyone says. It’s the technical aspects that are the most thorny, not the words on a page.

By reading this comment you hearby agree to send Draconic NEO no less than $400 in the currency of AnimalCrossing bells, applies for each time you read it, and re-reads of words also count. You will also be required to stand on your head for 30 minutes for every instance of reading this comment or re-reading a word. Compliance with these terms is mandatory.

I’m curious about the conversion rate from USD to Bells, and also which AC version it’s applicable to. /lh /hj

It’s roughly equivalent to JPY, at the time of the game’s original Japanese release. For ports or Localizations they’ll be largely the same as their original Japanese counterparts.

Some things in the games are skewed incredibly optimistically, like housing and renovations.
Furniture, decoration, and clothing costs are relatively accurate though.

Of course the implementation itself matters more than the promise to implement it, but the one is specifically intended to lead to the other. We shouldn’t be saying, ho-hum, they’re only threatening to f*** with our privacy in the future, when in fact this is the step before they actually do that.

I’m not saying it isn’t important all, I just think that it’s equally important to work to defeat systems and encourage people to take said action, as opposed to just trying to spread fear and despair. Which is what a lot of films about privacy and surveillance end up doing. There’s a name for that, it’s called fearmongering. Obviously we can’t stop the media from doing that but we should at least not do it ourselves.

And for any useful idiots who try and whine about how breaking those technological measures violates Terms of Service, terms of service in software that was handed to you is as worthless as the agreement at the bottom of my other comment. You need technological or practical enforcement of it for it to make sense. Like on this site the Terms of service are enforced with a ban if you don’t follow them. On the other hand software terms of use have no such enforcement, as anyone who participates in [email protected] would understand.

God dammit I guess I’ll take out a new loan from Tom Nook and I just repaid the last one :(
Omfg I’m sick of this bullshit
So much for being a “private browser.” It literally says that on the app store in the title.

Come on Mozilla, what the fuck are you guys doing? You don’t have the luxury of monopoly and you’re going to alienate those few diehard fans who stick with Firefox because alternatives are shit and they all run Chromium even if they aren’t.

Ladybird needs to materialize fast before it’s too late.

I’d go Waterfox, but I really like the on-machine translation in Firefox that Waterfox doesn’t have it.

LibreWolf has the on-machine translation and when you disable some of the hardcore privacy defaults it is a quite good Firefox replacement.
But has no mobile version effectively making it useless.

Just use something else on mobile. I use mull (until it becomes insecure because I think they stopped working on it) and fennec. I also have vanadium, which I think is chromium based, but don’t use it much.

Fennec supports extensions and syncing so it should be okay for most use cases.

I need sync…
Fennec and Librewolf support logging into a Firefox account and thus sync. However, that obviously partially brings you back to the Mozilla problem…

www.xbrowsersync.org

You can selfhost it too.

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please consider switching to ironfox, it’s a mull fork
IronFox is a fork of Mull when you decide it’s time.
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Firefox Desktop doesn’t have a mobile version, they just call an entirely separate codebase for the mobile version Firefox as well. If you want a mobile alternative there is Fennec.
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Why are none of these Firefox alternatives in my distro’s repository?
Bad distro? They are in mine 🤷‍♂️

Well, it’s Kubuntu, so yeah, I guess.

But it’s a popular bad distro, so that’s still a problem for a lot of people.

Nix, Guix, and Flatpak have Librewolf
That’s my biggest problem with it: the defaults are waay too strict and disable/break so many things
Why would they need those few diehard fans if they can’t extract profit from them?
i think there should be a global switch that enables firefox to send data to third parties, and it should be disabled by default; then firefox would be fine.

aaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHH!!

FUCK!

Fantastic, guess I’ll be looking for an alternative to Firefox.
From what I can tell the general consensus is LibreWolf.
And IronFox for Android.
That one is new to me. Just hear about one called Floorp. Anyone hear anything about it?
Im not even seeing that as an option when I search the playstore for that.
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I am so tired of feeling like I have an adversarial relationship with everything in my life
This!!! All this!

It’s what’s known as “vulture capitalism” or “parasitic capitalism”, where sociopathic kleptocrats are allowed control and treat all aspects of life as hostile and adversarial — value must be extracted and stolen from others — rather than a mutually beneficial relationship to improve and enrich the experience for everyone.

This is exemplified by the stock market and “line must go up” — the belief that stable, sustainable profits are a failure and growth must be continuous and exponential, in a planet and civilisation of finite resources, analogous to cancer.

There is even a rumor that, perhaps, no other form of capitalism truly exists.
I was about to say that just sounds like capitalism.

It’s what’s known as “vulture capitalism” or “parasitic capitalism”,

So, capitalism.

Or please kindly enumerate what other kinds of capitalism provably exist.

Hard agree. It does feel like we’re entering an age where that may start to shift, though. Well, not so much a shift in the “mainstream”, but it feels like we’re starting to see more and more parallel products and services that have anti-enshittification built in. And I think that’s our best path forward, all of us who care should work towards a parallel ecosystem that cuts these practices out as much as we can.

And be vocal about it! People are usually surprised in how I run services. Many many people won’t be able to, but many people can, so let them know they don’t have to be locked into paying for services.

For example “ugh Google, I hate paying for drive every month”

What do you use it for?

Oh just backups really.

Why not just an external hard drive then, or there are more expandable options out there.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those… Maybe I should look into them again…

I selfhost and use mostly FOSS and have ways of blocking 99% of ads so if you’re willing to learn then you don’t have to feel that way.

Sure, Jan. I guess you’re not using a web browser to post this? Not using an app, because that would mean having an Android or Apple phone?

I think you underestimate just how shitty everything now is, even if you’re putting a massive effort in by using almost exclusively FOSS and maintaining a stack of ad blockers.

My phone is running LineageOS without GAPPS. My browser in Android is cromite. My computers all run Linux and I use Firefox but with the advent of this news, might be changing to more hardened versions of it. I spend next to no effort maintaining my ad blockers past the initial setup, the fact that you have no idea how much work is involved shows that you’re out of your element, and have no idea what you are talking about.

Why did my comment seemingly irk you? Do you feel insecure because you are lazy and adopted a defeatist attitude? It is actually possible to control your devices and data, just because you’re ignorant.

So, you use a browser that’s vulnerable to enshittification, because there’s no way to avoid this. There are only 3 companies working on browser engines, only 2 work on non-mac platforms, and both depend on advertising. Sorry you didn’t realize that.
You realize that Firefox is open source and there are hardened versoins that don’t have the “enshitification” aspects removed from it, right? How fucking dumb are you buddy, that’s the great thing about FOSS… if we don’t like something in a project, we fork it.

Firefox and Chromium are open source, but virtually everybody working on them is employed by Google or Mozilla.

If you look at the changelogs and dev blogs of all the various forked versions of those projects, what you’ll see is that the devs spend basically all their time trying to keep up with all the changes coming out of Google/Mozilla and then trying to find out how to re-integrate the tweaks they’ve developed that makes their version different – which is normally just applying a skin, or a plugin, or removing something they consider a misfeature.

Let me know if you would like me to continue schooling you.

Oh, I wasn’t aware you’d started. You must be a terrible teacher.

Firefox and Chromium are open source, but virtually everybody working on them is employed by Google or Mozilla.

If you look at the changelogs and dev blogs of all the various forked versions of those projects, what you’ll see is that the devs spend basically all their time trying to keep up with all the changes coming out of Google/Mozilla and then trying to find out how to re-integrate the tweaks they’ve developed that makes their version different – which is normally just applying a skin, or a plugin, or removing something they consider a misfeature.

Lmao, no… browsers like LibreWolf have no issues keeping up with updates.

Oh, I wasn’t aware you’d started. You must be a terrible teacher.

That’s because you keep moving goalposts so you don’t have to face the reality that you’re a moron that’s blowing smoke. You stated, “even if you’re putting a massive effort in by using almost exclusively FOSS and maintaining a stack of ad blockers.” That gave it away. With that statement, I know, you’re an idiot and have nooooooooooooo fucking clue how this shit works. And I called you out there… and you conveniently ignored that and changed the subject. So do you want me to explain how easy it is to setup adblocking that requires no maintenance? And then will you admit that you are wrong? Because again, it doesn’t require any maintenance and the smallest of effort to setup initially. I’ll teach you buddy, don’t worry, no cost to you.

Also let’s look at my initial claim, “I selfhost and use mostly FOSS and have ways of blocking 99% of ads and locally control all my IoT so if you’re willing to learn then you don’t have to feel that way. Because I feel in full control and in harmony with everything.”

Two things. 1) I said mostly FOSS, 2) I do feel in harmony with the amount of control and customization I have over my devices which was in response to someone feeling the opposite. You’ve not said anything to counter this. I can easily go through my entire stack on every platform if you are actually interested in learning how these things work. But if not, I will continue to make fun of you for being dumb, I don’t care either way. You’re entertaining me.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does anyone else feel like technology - specifically consumer tech - kinda peaked over a decade ago? I’m 37, and I remember being awed between like 2011 and 2014 with phones, voice assistants, smart home devices, and what websites were capable of. Now it seems like much of this stuff either hasn’t improved all that much, or is straight up worse than it used to be. Am I crazy? Have I just been out of the market for this stuff for too long?

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The green chicken flag strikes again. It may be a small thing, but i knew the logo change was the first step towards corpo bullshit.