DirkMcCallahanRFK Jr. Is Already Taking Aim at Antidepressants
Go ahead and take mine away. See what happens. I dare you.
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Or did your doctor not know what was wrong, said it was stress related and gave you pills to go away?
Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
You have my sympathy.
But I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
Where did you get your medical degree from again?
www.northwell.edu/…/gaslighting-in-womens-health
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The downvotes are from people who think your statements are ignorant lol
The down votes are from the victims of a medical industry that doesn’t allow doctors to say “I don’t know”.
I down voted you because I think you’re a fucking moron and no I’m no on antidepressants asshat.
So your down voting behavior has nothing to do with content. Pretty moronic.
redwattlebird I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
Hmm. I’ve been on Prozac before and that’s definitely not addictive.
WrenYou have no place diagnosing people with no proven experience in the field of psychiatry, or pharmacology.
So stop parroting RFK talking points.
OK, I have no idea about the medical history of whoever is down voting. But it’s clear from the numbers that people are scared of their pills being taken away.
The only time I’ve had a similar reaction was when I suggested coffee should be banned. (It’s bad for the environment, more physically addictive than heroin and makes everyone’s breath smell terribly)
Again, you have proven that you have no experience in psychology, or pharmacology, so stop with the RFK rhetoric.
You’re not qualified to disagree with science and people with PhDs. Stop embarrassing yourself.
There are too many lazy, bribed doctors prescribing too many antidepressants.
11% of Americans over the age of 12 take an antidepressant.
You have provided no counter argument, but I would welcome one.
Because there is no counter-point to your RFK bullshit. It’s like arguing with bible salesmen.
I’m not actually arguing for RFKs solution but we all need to admit he has identified a problem.
No, he hasn’t. And I’m don’t arguing with you about it. What he is doing is reckless and dangerous. And your support of him is disgusting.
Yeah but you’d get a similar response if you proposed banning blood thinners too. Are people addicted to them? Or just the quality of life treatment provides
PsychadelligoatBut I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
You’re wrong and an idiot and a shitstain
I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress.
Ask your doctor friends what the phrase “stress related” really means.
I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress
You think people are getting depression diagnosis and SSRIs on that?
Just admit you’re completely uninformed and stay out of discussions in which you are so in future, dude
No. I made that distinction at the top of this thread.
You don’t need clinical depression for a lazy doctor to prescribe Xanax.
Like I said, you don’t know what you’re talking about: Xanax isn’t an SSRI, it’s a Benzodiazepine, literally a depressant
You prescribe Xanax for anxiety because it relaxes you, you prescribe SSRIs for depression to help with serotonin processing, they are not even the same class of drug
Ok, Prozac then. The specific drug is not the point of this conversation.
You realize that in order to get an SSRI you have to go see a psychiatrist right? Like the regular docs won’t / can’t prescribe them? You don’t just go see some GP and be like ‘i r the depress’.
Weird how people want to downvote facts backed by sources.
The first source listed by that article is InfoWars. That whole article can eat a dick lmao.
Your inability to differentiate between specific drugs, all of which are commonly known, sure makes it seem like you have absolutely no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
I chose a common drug that is prescribed when doctors run out of options but must provide a solution.
No, you chose the first mental health drug that came to mind, not knowing that SSRIs and benzos are two very different classes of drug. Because, again, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m talking about lazy doctors whi diagnose “stress” and prescribe anti-depressant drugs as a generic solution.
I’m sorry if that was your personal experience, but it is far from the model experience and shouldn’t be used as a basis for how we evaluate medical treatment or medications themselves. Like I said, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
it is far from the modal experience
Unfortunately not true
If I send you an article about a horrific car crash, would you conclude that the majority of drivers are killed in car accidents?
Who said majority?
But we need to recognize that there exist lazy doctors cars that crash.
if you had a doctor Rx Xanax for your fibromyalgia they were giving you more credit than you realize, since they never actually give that out unless they have no choice… they also almost never give out Prozac… what meds did they give you? Was it Lyrica, one of the drugs meant to treat Fibro? Was it Wellbutrin, an SN(D)RI which also treats Fibro? Celexa? Effexor? Because THOSE ARE ALL USED TO TREAT FIBRO, WHICH YOU CLAIM TO HAVE???
Would you also like by blood work and full family history?
It’s not just fibromyalgia symptoms. So many times the “stress” excuse is rolled out by lazy doctors, but it’s never mentioned by ones that actually investigate the causes.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
Not really.
I’m diagnosing a problem but my solution is to investigate more, not to sweep unknowns under the antidepressant carpet.
I’m diagnosing a problem
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Lmfao, such detective work.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one,
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
You’re spouting unsubstantiated bullshit because you think you’re special and that your opinion is worth shit, somehow more than that of medical professionals and scientists.
I’m sick of these fucking conspiracy theorest trolls.
Kindly shut the fuck up and go away.
Conspiracy? I’ve experience it. And it’s not just me
again, fibro is frequently treated with antidepressants. this is not (just) laziness. read your insurance policy on meds and i bet you’ll find they won’t let you proceed with diagnosis for anything else until you’ve been on an SSRI for 6 months. Idiopathic pain, somatoform disorder, etc. allllllll have to be ruled out. It’s not (just) because you’re female, but is IS CERTAINLY because you’re American.
read your insurance policy on meds and i bet you’ll find they won’t let you proceed with diagnosis for anything else until you’ve been on an SSRI for 6 months
Don’t you consider such unscientific bureaucratic rulings as being part of the problem?
Take a step back and think for a bit.
flickerBig same fellow person. Lookin forward to seeing you in the wellness camps, and looking forward to the hell we’re going to raise.
Same here.
This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha quotation, just do you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants and just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be s medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
I have depression
OK, so you are in the first category
Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did.
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
Do you think a jog a day is the solution?
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
your contributions are irrelevant to the topic, and also super shitty to bring up around a lot of people that’re scared for the mental health of their families. “your beef” isn’t worth sniffing, so please take it elsewhere. you should be able to tell from ratios alone that your comments are unwelcome, shameless, and tactless.
Lazy doctors pushing big pharma sponsored pills is right on topic. It doesn’t apply to everyone, but it applies to a large number of people.
#11% of Americans over the age of 12 take an antidepressant.
This is a problem that shouldn’t be ignored even if it is being raised by a right wing, brain worm eaten anti vaxxer.
the reason you’re in this thread is because
YOU FEEL UNSEEN BY YOUR DOCTORS BECAUSE THEY DISMISS YOUR PAIN
that’s not related whatsoever, i’m sorry, i used to be in your position, i hope you get a real diagnosis for what’s wrong (mine was hEDS) because most doctors say it’s fibromyalgia when they don’t know and they’ve given up… that’s for-profit medicine for you… but, as i’ve covered elsewhere
people take anti-depressants for several problems, including fibromyalgia
SO MAYBE you should take a step back and chill
Unfortunately it is related.
I hear a lot of anger and fear from people about their medication. And everyone believes their case is justified.
Antidepressants are too readily prescribed.
The US is the world leader.
These two facts are relevant and not about me personally. They can’t be simply dismissed.