MicroWaveFeb 10, 2025

Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://lemmy.world/post/25400442

Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan - Lemmy.World

Summary Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan. Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea. Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.” His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law. Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.

Show threadTransplantedSconieFeb 10, 2025
Lmao. Enjoy Dearborn, Michigan. When he kicks you out, you can join them in limbo.
Show threadAdmiral PatrickFeb 10, 2025

“But if the Dems ran a better candidate…”

“But Harris didn’t even stop in Dearborn, so it’s her fault not ours”

“Sure, everything Trump says is a lie, but at least he stopped here to lie to our faces. It’s the dem’s fault.”

“One of Trump’s first acts last time was a Muslim ban, but I can’t be arsed to remember that far back”

“I had to vote for this otherwise the dems wouldn’t learn anything”

/s

Show threadXanzaFeb 10, 2025

But if the Dems ran a better candidate…

This is completely valid criticism. Stop pretending it’s not. The DNC is in the habit of specifically going out of their way to choose unpopular pundits, and that’s not voters fault.

Voting for Trump, or not voting is their fault…

Show threadAdmiral PatrickFeb 10, 2025

You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins. “Not Trump” was not a candidate.

If Trump gets 49% of the vote, Harris 48%, and “other” gets 3%, that’s not counted as 51% against Trump and he loses. That’s Trump winning with 49% of the vote.

Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.

Show threadXanzaFeb 10, 2025

Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.

Two things can be true at once. Voters not voting is bad, and it’s their fault. The DNC being incapable of finding pundits people want to vote for is also bad, and is also their fault. Pointing one out, has nothing to do with the other and both of these factors led to the election of Donald Trump not once, but TWICE.

Pointing out the DNC’s responsibility to find electable candidates doesn’t elevate the voters responsibility. But if the DNC were capable of finding pundits voters wanted to vote for no issue would exist. You wouldn’t have people refusing to vote, or voting for Trump out of some fucked up sense of “haha, I’m gonna stick it to you!”

Pretending like this issue is solely at the fault of the voters is so fucking disingenuous, disgusting and partyist its insane.

Show threadAdmiral Patrick

The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.

It’s up to the voters to make smart choices, and some of them made the stupid choice.

Feb 10, 2025 at 8:36pmWeb
Show threadXanzaFeb 10, 2025

The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.

You don’t have to convince me of this. I completely agree. I’ve said only that the DNC has a responsibility to provide something better than an Iguana and for the past three election cycles, that’s what we’ve got and people are pissed. But every time you try to have meaningful discourse about how the DNC is only supplying Iguana people treat you like you’re some kind of turncoat who voted for Trump. And that’s just bullshit.

We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC… It’s not entirely the voters fault and fuck anyone who says it is.

Show threadSchmooFeb 11, 2025

We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC

Please also try to funnel that anger into meaningful action. Staying mad at non-voters is understandable but also entirely unhelpful. Staying mad at the DNC however is both understandable and rational, and has the potential to drive change if you allow yourself to channel it into something productive.