Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan

https://lemmy.world/post/25400442

Trump says Palestinians will have no right of return to Gaza under his plan - Lemmy.World

Summary Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan. Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea. Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.” His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law. Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.

Lmao. Enjoy Dearborn, Michigan. When he kicks you out, you can join them in limbo.

“But if the Dems ran a better candidate…”

“But Harris didn’t even stop in Dearborn, so it’s her fault not ours”

“Sure, everything Trump says is a lie, but at least he stopped here to lie to our faces. It’s the dem’s fault.”

“One of Trump’s first acts last time was a Muslim ban, but I can’t be arsed to remember that far back”

“I had to vote for this otherwise the dems wouldn’t learn anything”

/s

“Democrats will ignore you if they can always count on your vote”

“Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil”

And idiotic absolutism is why we’re in this mess.

Good job!

our best bet was in the primaries in 2020. from there it’s all been about our best opportunities to keep trump away from power regardless. i know america sucks. i live here, too. but to act like voting for the lesser of two evils in a binary choice election was worse than letting trump have power is to dissengage from the fact that this is america. this is how the system is stacked against us. you don’t get to just magically not be part of it because you don’t like it. there was nothing stopping you from organizing resistance under kamala. but there’s plenty of violence under trump that’s making it hard to organize.
“we just had to teach the DNC a lesson at the polls during that specific election!!!”

Biden: I just have to aid genocide during an election year when I’m up against an absolute fascist.

Edit: cope and deal with it

And the award for most stupid take goes to…
Is that not what happened? Lol
“Ooh I have a choice between genocide or genocide with extra fucking awful fascist bullshit. Which shall I choose? I know, I’ll go for the obviously worse option because I’m a good person” <— you
I voted dem, my state is blue, and we have a great local community. It’s been awful in Gaza long before trump. You can stand by whatever level of government funded genocide you want. There is nuance to voting, but not when I comes to aiding war crimes when you have complete power to stop sending munitions

OK, but you do realize that there was no option in this election that would achieve the results they wanted, right?

There was a choice for the status quo, and one to make things exponentially worse. People chose the exponentially worse option and are idiots for it.

If you have no options but to vote for Genocide, you already lived in fascism.
Cool. You still helped make it worse.

But if the Dems ran a better candidate…

This is completely valid criticism. Stop pretending it’s not. The DNC is in the habit of specifically going out of their way to choose unpopular pundits, and that’s not voters fault.

Voting for Trump, or not voting is their fault…

You clearly have no idea how US elections work at that level. The single candidate with the most votes wins. “Not Trump” was not a candidate.

If Trump gets 49% of the vote, Harris 48%, and “other” gets 3%, that’s not counted as 51% against Trump and he loses. That’s Trump winning with 49% of the vote.

Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.

Anyone who didn’t vote (or didn’t vote for the only candidate likely to defeat Trump) is responsible for his win.

Two things can be true at once. Voters not voting is bad, and it’s their fault. The DNC being incapable of finding pundits people want to vote for is also bad, and is also their fault. Pointing one out, has nothing to do with the other and both of these factors led to the election of Donald Trump not once, but TWICE.

Pointing out the DNC’s responsibility to find electable candidates doesn’t elevate the voters responsibility. But if the DNC were capable of finding pundits voters wanted to vote for no issue would exist. You wouldn’t have people refusing to vote, or voting for Trump out of some fucked up sense of “haha, I’m gonna stick it to you!”

Pretending like this issue is solely at the fault of the voters is so fucking disingenuous, disgusting and partyist its insane.

The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.

It’s up to the voters to make smart choices, and some of them made the stupid choice.

The DNC could have run an iguana wearing an offensive trucker hat, and we still should have voted for the iguana when Trump was the alternative or stood a chance of winning again.

You don’t have to convince me of this. I completely agree. I’ve said only that the DNC has a responsibility to provide something better than an Iguana and for the past three election cycles, that’s what we’ve got and people are pissed. But every time you try to have meaningful discourse about how the DNC is only supplying Iguana people treat you like you’re some kind of turncoat who voted for Trump. And that’s just bullshit.

We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC… It’s not entirely the voters fault and fuck anyone who says it is.

We need to be mad at non-voters, people who “lashed out” and voted for Trump, and people who let themselves be swept away by the lies of a grifter who we did nothing but warn them about. But we also need to be mad at the DNC

Please also try to funnel that anger into meaningful action. Staying mad at non-voters is understandable but also entirely unhelpful. Staying mad at the DNC however is both understandable and rational, and has the potential to drive change if you allow yourself to channel it into something productive.

This was literally Bidens plan as well.

You can have fun laughing at people that didn’t want to vote for someone directly responsible for killing their families (as if you’d be different at all), but don’t do it because you think this is something worse that Trump is doing that Biden wouldn’t.

Provide any source for your claim. Never did Biden state anything like this.

Biden didn’t state anything. That was his thing. Not giving interviews. With his administration it wasn’t what he said, it’s what his administration did.

And yes, Anthony Blinken flew all over the middle east trying to get this proposal through. I’m sorry you like to post opinions on something you apparently have no knowledge of.

newlinesmag.com/…/middle-east-reels-a-new-option-…

As the Middle East Reels, a New Option Takes Shape: Expulsion

Years of careful diplomacy have been overturned by the current wave of violence, forcing the major powers in the region and beyond to look for new policies, however extreme

New Lines Magazine
Predictable, but even so.
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
his handler in moscow deserves some credit
Well it’s a good thing we don’t have the status quo of the DNC, slamming it into overdrive is MUCH better! Remember a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide/s

Long story short, when people are hungry and broke and without a place to live, they become desperate, but then when you do something that really makes them angry. They stop being desperate and they start becoming violent. Not just people in the Middle East mind you I’m talking all people from British colonists to French students yelling about revolution all the way down to Germans, who survived the World War I only to see part of their country, giving away the treaty of Versailles. 

 Donald Trump‘s plan is just asking for further acts of terrorism against America and our interest overseas

I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt 

I feel sorry for any service member who is killed because Donald Trump wants to build another hotel that will inevitably go bankrupt

I don't. If Trump ends up sending troops to Gaza (which is bordering on impossible mind you), then those troops will frankly deserve whatever happens to them.

I was in the army for 10 years and can tell you that on an average unit about 50 to 60% of those guys don’t agree with the president’s policy or the plan of action. But they’re there because they assumed that the person elected to be president would have the countries best interest at heart. That assumption has not really worked out.

So yeah, you can say that soldiers and marines getting killed in action will get what they deserve but to me I think we need to take a moment and hold our leaders accountable first. And as far as I’m concerned all the crooked shit Donald Trump is done the punishment. His face is being kicked off Twitter for a couple of months. 

What is this thing? And why? 

Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.

Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.

What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.

Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?

Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.

You can’t reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Oh fuck I didn’t realize there was a magical third candidate with a prospect of winning

I hope you look forward to voting for Ted Cruz, the Democratic candidate for president in 2028. After all, he’ll in theory be a little better than Trump running for his third term, so logically it’s our duty to support Mr. Cruz for president. The only criteria any Democrat is allowed to use is whether the Democratic candidate is a tiny bit better than the Republican.

If you refuse to vote for President Cruz, you will be fully morally responsible for any of Trump’s actions in his third term. After all, there’s no magical third candidate with a prospect of winning.

This is the moral hazard of the “vote blue no matter who” crowd. If the Democratic base is already locked in no matter what, then there’s no need for the party to work to actually reflect Democratic values. The people running the party only care about winning for the sake of winning. They don’t actually believe in anything; they’re just shameless power chasers. And if the Dem base will vote for literally anyone the Dems nominate, then Dems might as well just nominate Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney, or some other Republican. What better way to appeal to suburban Republican voters than by nominating an actual Republican?

The truth is that in order for the Democratic Party to actually mean anything, there have to be some people on the left side of the spectrum willing to walk away if the party moves too far to the right. If there’s no consequence to drifting to the right, the party will just become a duplicate of the Republican Party. Eventually we’ll just end up with an election between the KKK candidate and the skinhead candidate. That would literally be the outcome if every Democratic voter blindly “voted blue no matter who.”

Obviously, there’s the argument of voting to defend democracy. But the sad truth is that centrist dems have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually incapable of defending democracy. You can’t run on something that you’ve proven yourself utterly incapable of doing. The party that appointed Merrick Garland could not credibly argue that they were going to vigorously defend democracy. Even now, their pathetic response to Trump’s lawlessness shows that they are incapable of fighting for democracy.

I mean I agree with some of your points I just would have waited until trump was dead of old age before trying to do a protest vote but hey different strokes for different folks I guess. at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍

You keep saying:

at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍

Like Trumps plan is different from Bidens.

But it isn’t. Biden literally tried to get Egypt to accept a giant tent city refuge camp in the Sinai desert. You know, like Gaza originally was in the first place?

So, laughing at the people you incorrectly blame for Trumps election and pointing at this as a consequence is just stupid. This was literally Bidens plan as well.

I don’t blame y’all for shit dawg this is all on the fucking DNC, and I ain’t laughing at you im laughing as cope.

But to act like it would have been exactly the same under Biden is a fucking joke, you know trump is gunna dial the spite and cruelty to 11.

I don’t think you recognize how bad it was under Biden then.
To the people blaming protest voters: Other voters are not your enemy. The two-party oligopoly is the enemy. The goal of zio nists and is rael was always to remove all the palestinians from the region - it is built into the purpose of the state. There is no evidence kamala would have done anything to stop this. She wouldnt have said lets take it over ourselves and make it into fucking casinos, but regardless, the overall plan of removing all the palestinians would have continued and the US would have continued to fund it.
The DNC may have fucked up, but every single one of those protest voters made a conscious decision to increase the odds of Trump becoming president.
So did the DNC though, supporting Israel was more important to them than winning “the most important election of our time”.

And yet Trump is still worse on that “single issue” that was important enough to let him win over.

Yeah, I’d like the Democrats to be farther left on a lot of things too, but I understand the system we live in and I remember his first term.

HEY, EVERYBODY! LET’S KEEP ARGUING ABOUT THE ELECTION THAT ENDED LAST YEAR! THAT WILL REALLY HELP THE PALESTINIANS!
where are all the conservative instances so we can go DUNK and SLAM on them?

People seem to be happy to do that to each other on Lemmy every time the topic of Palestine comes up.

This morning, I said to someone, “if I challenged you to send one e-mail to a celebrity or politician or business leader asking them to use their ability to get the ear of the media to speak on behalf of Palestinians, would you do it?”

I won’t keep you in suspense. They never responded. Because pointing fingers and accusing others of being in favor of genocide is much easier. And fun!

you know what Flying Squid - I’m gonna email my senator right now. 🐙
Thank you! I wish more people did such things!

Absolutely. Anyone posting about Biden, Harris, or Democrats committing genocide etc. Especially still now. Is either just virtue signaling or trying to sew discord, and not actually interested in helping anyone but themselves.

It was a disingenuous claim from the start. It really downplays what genocide is. I say this as someone who’s family has been subjected to various forms of genocide by the US government as recently as my grandparents.

The US government as a whole has been enabling genocide in Palestine for at least a half century. And that’s shameful enough without false accusations. Well, they might become true now. But even then it’s not about any one person. Even Trump. He couldn’t do much without the craven, spineless and bigoted Republican party. And even they would struggle with out all the self-interested Democrats on the dole as well. The system is the problem. Swapping out any individual won’t even make a dent. And anyone who implies or acted like it would should have been ridiculed from the start.

Yea, this stinkin’ debate is just sterile, look ahead y’all, there is a 50m tidal wave coming at everyone while you bicker!
Based on the downvotes, people would much rather bicker and I’m terrible for suggesting people take action instead.
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn’t vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump’s Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
How is it worse? This was literally Bidens public plan. His administration was just quieter about it, though not silent, which is how we know if was their plan.

The sheer audacity of treating sovereign territories like Monopoly properties reveals the bankruptcy of modern geopolitics. Trump’s alleged “Gaza swap” proposal – offering Egypt debt relief for absorbing a war-torn enclave – reeks of casino diplomacy where human lives become bargaining chips. This isn’t statecraft, it’s a foreclosure auction on human dignity.

Egypt’s immediate rejection proves even authoritarian regimes recognize some lines shouldn’t be crossed. But the real tragedy lies in normalizing this billionaire’s mentality that every crisis is a leveraged buyout opportunity. From the Abraham Accords to this Gaza garage sale, it’s all about transactional trophy deals while ignoring root causes.

The Mediterranean doesn’t need another real estate mogul playing Risk with refugee camps. This isn’t solving conflict – it’s outsourcing oppression through financial blackmail. The message is clear: human rights have become adjustable-rate mortgages in the hands of dealmakers.

Don’t be confused for a second Egypt refuses cus of morals. Egypt refused take Gaza Strip back from Israel during the peace treaty, where they happily took Sinai Peninsula along with it Bedouin population.

Hamas is a branch of Muslim Brotherhood, they are illegal in Egypt. They try to force their religion on the country. Being related to the Muslim Brotherhood will get you tortured to death and vanished in Egypt.

For fuck sakes, 70% of people in Gaza has an Egyptian family name.

I’m not saying kicking the Gazans out is right. Just pointing out the real reason behind Egypt refusal.

Very elaborate way to say “but Hamas"…

Yes, but hamas.

amnesty.org/…/egypt-decade-of-shame-since-hundred…

No one want religious extremists in his country.

Egypt: ‘Decade of shame’ since hundreds killed with impunity in Rabaa massacre

The 10-year anniversary of the Rabaa massacre is a stark reminder of how impunity for the mass killing of over 900 people has enabled an all-out assault on peaceful dissent, an erosion of any fair trial safeguards in the criminal justice system, and unspeakable cruelty in prisons over the past decade, Amnesty International said today. […]

Amnesty International
Why does this feel like Johnathan Irons from Call of Duty Advanced Warfare with how “New Baghdad” was rebuilt.
People immigrating to the US? Criminal invaders. The biggest threat to America. Meanwhile, let’s turn an entry country into refugees and forcibly relocate them into other countries without the consent of anyone involved. Makes perfect sense. /s