general advice for anyone who finds themselves moving to another country in the near future for whatever reason:

1) it's more expensive than you think. yes, even after you take this into account. Don't be surprised or ashamed if you end up needing to borrow money from friends and family to cover the short-term spike in expenses.

2) get rid of as much Stuff as you possibly can. My employer gave me about $4000 for relocation expenses but that only covered one large shipping crate that fit my clothes, books, etc. It was way cheaper and easier to give away all my furniture and replace it on the other side.

3) That crate took something like nine weeks to arrive, it was absolutely worth it to pay for an extra suitcase on my flight to cram as many necessities into as possible.

btw the crate was delayed in customs because they were short-staffed due to corona, which was completely 100% out of my control, but they sent me a bill for 400 euros for my crate taking up space in the customs warehouse longer than anticipated. I couldn't get the crate unless I paid it. This falls under "moving internationally is more expensive than you think."

@0xabad1dea addendum: airplane luggage is surprisingly cheap for what it is

the price of a 100lb oversized box or even just a roller suitcase is almost certainly lower than any airmail, and possibly even slow boat freight

this also applies domestically for people fleeing to safer cities

@0xabad1dea and there’s always something that goes wrong. (My movers picked up the wrong boxes and took my old roommate’s stuff to the US)
@0xabad1dea it was eventually fixed. Mostly.
@0xabad1dea and I think the total cost for the move was under 1000, but I was able to get friends to help with a lot of it, and I stayed in a lot of spare rooms / couches during the process.

@Apiary @0xabad1dea

I was thinking of taking the queen Mary off season or something similar with extra luggage. It takes about a week to cross the Atlantic.

@Call151 @0xabad1dea if you’re getting a visa processed on the crossing, it might make things interesting.
@0xabad1dea confirm with employer what exactly they will reimburse. They might not reimburse certain type of short term accommodation for instance, which happened to me.

@0xabad1dea
A lot fewer things are useful than you think. It's not just the obvious - different electrical standards making most appliances useless - but things like different building design standards and dimensions that make a lot of your furniture an awkward fit. Or your things and clothes just look out of place when trends are different than where you're moving from.

If in doubt, leave it behind.

@jannem @0xabad1dea Yepp, my Chinese colleague brought a washing machine from China that relies on a sink at the bottom - in Germany, washing machines need to pump the wastewater up, usually about 1 meter. So it ended up as waste ...
@0xabad1dea I did a Transatlantic move 14 years ago and this advice is 100% correct.

@0xabad1dea

I've got no damn clue how I'm going to move again.

I feel like I'll need to either get rid of the monitor I have rn, selling it or other way. Lots of small stuff is also bust, too.

Definitely need to keep the CPU, the storage, RAM. The rest is relatively easy to replace. GPU's faulty alas.

Also guh, so much stationery... and random little electronics knicknacks.

Though if I ignore clothing, it's all relatively light. And I've not exactly got much clothing still.

Bed clothing? Ditch that, get new stuff locally unless somehow it's irreplaceable

Cutlery? Uh... honestly wish I took mine. It was so good and local stuff is meh...

Sorry just rambling on with own observations of "quickly move to another country".

A list, even just a mental one, of important stuff is very very useful to have. That goes with you, maybe even carry-on if possible :V

@saphire Is a move in the plans in the near future?
@0xabad1dea we flew with a ticket that gave us an extra piece above the typical two, so that was three max checked luggage sized crates each for our move. It was a hassle at the airport to get a taxi but so much easier than arranging shipping.

@0xabad1dea If you move to Germany, you need to bring all certificates you ever got for whatever reasons.

Birth certificate, school certificates, marriage/divorce, University, everything like "that 3 month Computer class"...

If you got baptised and you cosider yourself non-religious, you need a "I left church" certificate, otherwise you'll have to pay church taxes.

@kunterbuntesneukoelln @0xabad1dea Does that apply to churches outside Germany? 😳
@herrLorenz @kunterbuntesneukoelln most American churches (outside the Catholics, who are a minority) don’t keep any sort of formal records of baptism; I couldn’t possibly prove I *was* baptized if I wanted to!
@0xabad1dea @kunterbuntesneukoelln In that case, I reccon you're free to check "no religion".
The German model of registering and assorting citizens to denominational churches "for tax reasons" is, in the current form, a remnant from the mid-1930s, btw.

@herrLorenz @0xabad1dea

"Even if you declare that you are not religious when completing your address registration in Germany, this is not foolproof as the churches share data internationally. For example, if you are registered as Catholic in Spain, the Catholic Church in Germany may be able to get hold of this information – in this instance you will receive a bill for the backdated church tax that you owe since your arrival in Germany."

https://www.welcome-hub-germany.com/blog/church-tax-germany

A Guide to Church Tax in Germany — Welcome Hub Germany

As a newcomer to Germany, you may be subject to church tax. Explore our guide to church tax in Germany and discover what it is, who needs to pay it and, most importantly, how much it costs!

Welcome Hub Germany
@0xabad1dea This is all very interesting. Maybe it's accurate for Europe, but we didn't find it to be more expensive in South America. We moved with 8 suitcases and supplemented items upon arrival. We've been told that the shipping containers are always a hassle and you rarely need the items that you find in there after not having them for several months. My 2 cents.
@0xabad1dea point 2 is 100% my experience as well. But extremely counter intuitive. Awesome that you share this!
@0xabad1dea
every time you think you've calculated the cost of moving, add more. I didn't even move out of the country, just across, and it was more expensive than my whole wedding and related expenses

@0xabad1dea I’ve mostly made big (transcontinental) moves in my life, and this is absolutely true. If you’re a young single person without much stuff, bring what will fit in suitcases only.

I’ve made one move in my life that was within driving distance, and that was at least an order of magnitude easier than a bigger move.

@0xabad1dea Also visa extensions, residency etc... Are expensive.

@0xabad1dea

A few decades ago I had such a move. The headhunter who paired me up was in his nineties (still messing around with recruitment on a hobby basis) and he advised the same thing to me on point 2.

And point 3: yep, worth the money.

And if you’re flying, do check into an upgrade to business class. It may include 2 checked bags for free and they might even have a higher per/bag weight allowance: 70 lb (31.8 kg) rather than 50 lb (22.8 kg).

@0xabad1dea Depending on how long you're staying, what you're using for shipping, be careful about point #2. We gave away a few great furniture pieces in the US that we could not replace in Australia for a reasonable price. Check prices in destination country.
@0xabad1dea i sold / gave away everything i owned and then bought a new tv with my relocation money
@0xabad1dea agree agree agree. I actually also asked friends who were traveling to my new home country in the month or two beforehand (it's popular for vacations) to take a suitcase as one of their two pieces, so I ended up with about 5 suitcases total making the journey. I had a long time without my crate and I managed fine. But cosign 100000000% on it's more expensive than you think. And visa renewal will be more than the 1st one b/c they increase it every year. etc.

@0xabad1dea

I have made an International move on 2 occasions.

The first was with the clothes on my back and 2 suitcases. The 2nd was a shared crate with half of a 3 bed home's worth of stuff. Neither move was reimbursed by an employer.

2nd time, a lot was given away to family, a shelter or a local charity shop prior to leaving: furniture, some toys, bedding and all electrical . If not given away, it was sold on a second hand site to help with restocking items upon arrival. The cull really made us take stock of what was necessary and where possible could be slipped into a suitcase. Items of sentimental value were kept but anything else was bought upon arrival ie new beds.

2nd time we were lucky to stay with an acquaintance upon arrival. It was a gift while we searched for our own place.

2nd time, an International moving company was in charge. It's a stressful time so we let them inventory, crate, box and wrap everything. Be in no doubt, this was expensive but having culled a good 50% of our home etc, it meant that we could share a crate with others that was heading to the same city. This saved us a bit of money but it did mean that it took 4 months to get our belongings.

Final note

Budget, budget, budget. This is especially true if you need to set up a new bank account. Some countries make it very difficult for any new arrivals if they have not been helped by an employer. Remember to tell your home banking institution that you are going overseas. If you have to use your account or credit card while getting set up, the last thing you want is to have them think it is suspicious activity and lock you out.