Ever wondered WHY Trump and his allies are so viciously attacking and cutting science?
It's because science puts the lie to everything they're trying to do. It identifies the real people and actions causing our problems. It exposes the truth behind their disinformation.
Science not silence.
@petergleick They're authoritarians; they see scientists as competing for having authority.

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'science, not silence'......love it

@petergleick One of the podcasts I listen to, the Skeptics Guide to the Universe, had an interesting section on why the FDA is banning Red Dye #3 (it's not because it's unsafe).

In short, due to the Supreme Court axing the Chevron Deference, and with this as precedent, using ideology instead of science based policy making is wide open.

The transcript is at
https://www.sgutranscripts.org/wiki/SGU_Episode_1020#FDA_Bans_Red_Dye_No._3_(41:12) - it is also well worth a listen.

SGU Episode 1020 - SGUTranscripts

@derickr @petergleick I downloaded and just started listening to this, at your suggestion. My initial take is the Chevron deference link might be a stretch. It seems like if agencies have more power then they should be more susceptible to ideological swings, not less. Our congress isn’t good at passing laws so passing laws at the whim of activists seems hard. (I would not be surprised to learn that the ban is based on activism and not science, however.)
@vrguy @petergleick Since that post/toot, I also found this BBC article which explains it a little better, IMO. But this was before the Red Due #3 precedent: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c51ywwrq45qo
What is the Chevron deference and why has it been overruled?

The Supreme Court has overturned a longstanding legal precedent, and weakened agencies like the EPA.

BBC News
@derickr @petergleick Yeah Chevron deference isn’t the big deal most think it is. It was only in use for 30 years. Courts can still accept FDA’s interpretation but now they don’t just defer completely to their expertise. I haven’t yet finished the podcast, so I can’t comment on the actual red dye issue yet.
@derickr @petergleick My thought was broader though in that generally I’d expect laws get made much slower than agency rules, so eliminating chevron deference should mean less of this type of rule making to appease petition writers. Our congress is too useless to pass laws this effectively.
@derickr OK I listened this morning. My takeaway is yes because of how laws are currently written with Chevron deference in mind, there will be some issues. But I don’t understand why the hosts are worried that executive agencies won’t have enough power and at the same time they seem to be worried about Trump. I would worry that if we still had Chevron deference his FDA could outlaw birth control or something and a court wouldn’t be able to review the decision.
@vrguy I don't share your optimism that this is a net positive.
@derickr I’m unsure if it’s net positive. Over the next four years, I would say anything that limits power is a good thing. However, putting aside outcome based opinions, it doesn’t matter if it’s better or worse. There’s a fair argument to be made that Chevron deference was invented from thin air in the first place.
@derickr The other thing is it isn’t true that experts won’t be involved anymore in decisions. The courts are not supposed to be making rulings with no input from the agencies.
@petergleick Yep, and destroy public education as a bonus. Oh and let's have a national religion that requires subservience to men. White men, of course.
@Nonya_Bidniss @petergleick education is the only long term antidote, surely.
@petergleick Somebody said that the pandemic plumeted the gas and oil industry. They are blaming restrictions. How stupid? These people fear that capitalism will die. Disinformation is being created intentionally by the dark Far Right.
@petergleick The only “success” a platform of fear ignorance and prejudice offers is more extreme fear ignorance and prejudice. Extreme science with well managed and targeted challenges to these extremes are the only way to challenge these “successes”.
@petergleick This is down to the fake religious group the heritage foundation who would like to ban Darwin
@petergleick the effectiveness of attacks on science requires an audience ignorant to how science works. When scientists improve their models as new data is discovered this demonstrates it works and not that it can’t be trusted. Science is careful and restrained not loud and boastful. Science is not suited to the MAGA way.
@petergleick Also the vast majority of us loathe him

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The fact that left-wing thought is based on reason and evidence, the right on irrationalism, goes back to the origin of the political division between ‘left’ and ‘right’ – in the seating arrangements in the National Assembly in the French Revolution – those with power and privilege on the speaker’s right, commoners on the left. We should never forget the real basis of this division, which lies not in ideas or values, but in the reality of social class – but following hard on this reality is the fact that those on the left had to argue that people are capable of organising society better, on the basis of reason – the right relied on tradition, religion/superstition, force – ‘authority’ of various kinds, instead of reason.

Right-wing thought IS a rejection of reason and evidence – hence of science - as Sartre puts it, the right wants to stop thinking, ‘longs to become the stone’. This is why the Spanish fascists chanted ‘Death to Intelligence! Long Live Death!!’, why religious fundamentalists always tend to align with the extreme right, why an English politician said ‘This country has had enough of experts’ during the brexit debates, and why a right-wing American politician, in a rare moment of honesty, recently said that he ‘doesn’t care about reality’.

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What amazes me most, is that the corner of science populists detest most, postmodernist thinking and critical studies, is also the science that is behind the core of their actions: These sciences unveil the power dimension of arguments and the problematic grounding of the concept of 'truth'...