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BrusqueThe only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.
History has proven this.
samus12345The violence came from outside the country last time. That’s not happening this time.
Except maybe the troll you are replying to wants violence. 🤷
Maybe. It will take more than just a desire for violence to overcome the most powerful military the world has ever seen.
comfyThis is correct, and also, Nazis don’t care about good faith argumentation. They’re explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It’s about power and results, not liberalist idealism.
Violent methods usually aren’t the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it’s harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it’s riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it’s kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don’t worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they’re the government, their violence is now legal.
these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction (“You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?”)
Nazis want to take that freedom
Of course, but it’s there now and they’re happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn’t care less.
Im well aware. Fuck em
Yeah? You and what army? Seriously tho I’m looking to join.
I am exercising my 2nd amendment rights, purchasing multiple firearms for multiple purposes and have signed up for classes at a local range. I’m with you, but acknowledge that this part of it feels like a lonely endeavor.
Wish the UK’s right to defend itself wasn’t banned in 1997.
PavidusSaw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.
Saw someone wearing that shirt in a shopping mall in the UK!
krolden$50 each no doubt
GraphoThat’s how bands make lost of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.
They could just play shows at venues not owned by Ticketmaster
Good luck with that
That’s a super naive take.
Lmao why?
My buddy bought tickets to a ratm show. He had no one to go with so he invited me. We got there and were bombarded with Pepsi, lysol, and tons of other brand advertising projected on every wall of the massive stadium owned by a billionaire. We waiting for an hour while the advertisements wore our souls down to nothing
Then when the show finally starts it turns out most of the people there are complaining about how political the band has gotten.
Maybe when your ticket prices START at $150, you may not be the band of the people you thought you were.
justice.gov/…/justice-department-sues-live-nation…
Just read a bit.
Justice Department Sues Live Nation-Ticketmaster for Monopolizing Markets Across the Live Concert Industry
The Justice Department, along with 30 state and district attorneys general, filed a civil antitrust lawsuit against Live Nation Entertainment Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Ticketmaster LLC (Live Nation-Ticketmaster) for monopolization and other unlawful conduct that thwarts competition in markets across the live entertainment industry. The lawsuit, which includes a
That doesn’t mean they have to play at their venues. They have enough money that they could just post up in an empty field somewhere.
Yeah sure, they could go play in a field, and never play in Live Nation venues ( which is basically all of them)
Then they can worry about transit access, food and beverage services, garbage, toilets, safety staff, medical staff, weather, ticket vending( because if they play for free 10x people will come), local accommodation, local permits, stage construction, electrical service, rentals for the above equipment and materials… I’m sure I’m forgetting something.
Yes. Especially if the alternative is profiting billionaires.
Also theres plenty of smaller-ish venues not owned by live nation
It would be irresponsible to play at a venue that can’t handle the crowd needs that the artist would attract.
Breaking up Live Nation is the solution. Expecting musicians to put touring on hold while that happens isn’t reasonable.
Just checked their online merch page and the shirt isn’t there. But third-party shirt printers are easy to find and cost not much. Everyone who can should buy one and wear it proudly.
Reading that makes me very happy! I try tell people this whenever I can: there’s hope everywhere in America, no matter how red a state is now it can become blue one day. I was a Trump supporter myself and changed, other people can too! Think about all the people in Alabama who bought that shirt. If they banded together they could change Alabama for the better. Things won’t be instant but perhaps they get a better mayor elected, then a better state representative then send someone better to the House, then one day a better Senator. If we try and work together it can happen!
jaredI wanna hear everyone’s fight music! I’ve been leaning on RTJ the last few days.
Basically anything off of Idles’ 2020 masterpiece, Ultra Mono. Grounds is probably the most direct fight song. My other favorites are War, Mr. Motivator, and Carcinogenic.
IDLES - GROUNDS (Official Video)
Dead Prez been radical and vocal about social and political issues since long before everyone else got there. Music is probably dated by now but their messages have always been consistent and they are very applicable today.
From old timey union fight songs (ex Workers of the world, Awaken) to protest rock. The Swedish band Nationalteatern have a great banger “Staten och Kapitalet” about that the state and the capital sit in the same boat, but it is not those who row and the whip does not lick their fat necks.
BananaI’ve been loving the old Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, Billy Bragg, and Barbara Dane
This music just hits so hard
Maybe Im basic but Rise Against still hits. Sudden Urge goes hard. Also turns out they just released a new song within the last 24h that I need to listen to
I need to poke at their newer stuff. I kinda stopped paying attention to their new releases after Black Market and the one single they released a couple years after that, but there’s a few songs that hit that older style like The Eco Terrorist in Me that still go hard
The dork in me loves when Tim does not end a line with a preposition.
+1 Sudden Urge!
I slept on most of the post-Endgame catalogue except for maybe 5 songs, and this was not one of them. I eased up on the skip button one day in the car recently and got to hear it again, for what felt like the first time. It gave me chills.
Propaghandi is a big one for me since they’re from my city, but also Dead Kennedys l, NoFX, Stray From the Path, Jeff Rosenstock
Of that list, I know TMBG. Always a fav of mine, and I appreciate their attempts to educate and promote science. The sun is a miasma of incandescent plasma!
They’ve definitely been one of my faves as well since I was a kid and found them while watching Malcom in the Middle
I love the fact that the song you quoted is a kind of retraction of another, less scientifically accurate song of theirs.
The sun is a mass of incandescent gas…
It is, but they adopted it. It was originally written by Hy Zaret. They give him credit, of course, but it became theirs to steward.
Add Leslie Fish to the list!
Thanks so much! I’m building a playlist so I’m always happy to take suggestions :)
Okay commenting again to tell you I just looked this up and was reading the info for the artist and learned the term “filk” (science fiction folk) so I’m soooo in.
Don’t be sorry ✊
That whole proapgandhi thing about then regretting the lyrics to Halle salasse up you ass for talking shit about Rastafari was dumb. That religion is nuts.
Ya can’t say I disagree with you there
Probably a lot of obvious choices on here, but I like to think of it as honoring the classics of the genre, and hopefully there are a few entries which are new to folks.
- Crime Mob - Knuck if You Buck (this goes at the start of the playlist, because, in my experience, playing this to a crowd of significant size will result in hands being thrown somewhere, it is a statistical inevitability)
- Godsmack - I Stand Alone
- Pantera - Walk
- Limp Bizkit - Rollin
- Rage Against the Machine - Fistful of Steel
- Lil Wayne ft Eminem- Drop the World
- CKY - 96 Quite Bitter Beings
- DMX - X Gon Give It To Ya
- Ludacris - Get Back
- KMFDM - Free Your Hate
- Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass
- Powerman 5000 - When Worlds Collide
- Static-X - Push It
- DJ Shadow ft Run the Jewels - Nobody Speak
- Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand
- Slipknot - People=Shit
- Slayer - Raining Blood
- Holy Fuck - Tom Tom
- Danzig - Mother
- Queens of the Stone Age - You Think I Ain’t Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like A Millionaire (gotta find an edit without the intro tho)
- Mastodon - Blood and Thunder
- Mïngle Härder (formerly Möngöl Hörde) - Blistering Blue Barnacles
Two nautical themed metal/hardcore songs which get me ready to tussle isn’t a lot, but it is weird that it happened twice.
- Rise Against - State of the Union
- Coheed and Cambria - Key Entity Extraction V: Sentry the Defiant (with honorable mention to In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3 and Welcome Home)
- Chevelle - The Red
- Bullet For My Valentine - Waking the Demon
- Eve 6 - Think Twice
- Hole - Violet
- Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off
- Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet With Butterfly Winds
That seems like enough brainstorming for now. Hope someone finds something they vibe with.
+1 for State of the Union and Sentry the Defiant. I also see your Waking the Demon and raise you one You want a Battle? (Here’s a War). I don’t know if we’re all against Anti-flag with Justin Sane being a trash human, but their catalogue is still good for this situation.
State of the Union has been one of my favorites to the point I honestly forgot it’s not a single
I listened to Siren Song of the Counter Culture all the way through for the first time since probably 2007 a little while ago, and tbh, there’s little on the record I would call filler. Some songs do less for me than others, so I’m not gonna say it meets “All Killer” criteria, but I was surprised by how much I was enjoying the deeper cuts.
In fact, it surfaced an embarrassing memory for me. When “Paper Wings” came on, I was reminded of a little light plagiarism I committed as a shitty 13 year old. We had discussed the use of enjambnent in “The Red Wheelbarrow”, and were told to write a poem with an emphasis on structure as much as meter or rhyme. Being (as mentioned) 13, shitty, and confident that Rise Against was not in my English teacher’s rotation, I basically just copied and pasted lyrics from that song and incorporated odd line breaks and punctuation.
Had I a modicum of self-awareness at the time, I’d like to think I’d have made different choices, but that’s high school, baby!
My musical awakening was just too late to pull that kind of nonsense in school but I absolutely feel that
I almost don’t want to know, especially given what someone else shared with me about Pantera’s lead singer; but, given what I’m sure you’ve inferred from my selection, Anti-Flag was very much in my rotation for a couple of years. So, in the interest of doing the bare minimum necessary to claim I haven’t been ostriching the WHOLE time since the election, what revelations have come to light about this guy?
My read on it was that onstage he’d ogle underage girls/attendees, really flexing the rockstar swagger or whatever. He’d somehow relay to them an invitation to meet him after the show, and he’d bring them onto the tour bus where he’d pressure or trap them into having sex.
A silver lining is, as I read it, the rest of the band immediately disavowed him. Some fans/ commenters alleged the other band members had to have been aware he was doing this, particularly citing the close quarters of the tour bus. Yet, the band holds its stance that they really did not know.
Oof. Well, I’m disappointed but I refuse to let it ruin my day. I also tend to think that the band saying they had no idea is a stretch, but I empathize with someone who rationalizes away suspected bad behavior of a long term friend. I can’t say with 100% confidence that I wouldn’t do the same, as long as there was enough plausible deniability. If they disavowed him immediately upon it coming to light, well, I guess that’s better than praying for forgiveness and healing or whatever, even if they had thought his behavior was suspect beforehand and not acted on it. Perfect can’t be the enemy of good, and I’m just so fucking tired man…
Definitely need to take Pantera off your Nazi fighting list.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for letting me know, I’ll edit that immediately. The worst part is that I’ve conditioned myself to cope with the news I’ve just received by listening to Pantera.