This world is turning out less like the movie Idiocracy and more like the series Continuum.

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This world is turning out less like the movie Idiocracy and more like the series Continuum. - lemm.ee

In the series, corporations get a bailout when things get bad, collude to make it worse with profits over people and then basically buy off world governments in a reverse bail out to take control of the system. With a “Corporate Congress” and all people having a “life debt”. Oh, and the time travel aspect of it is pretty cool too.

+1 for referencing Continuum. “Canadian Sci-Fi starring Roger Cross” is probably one of my favorite sub-genres of it, and Continuum is at the top of that list (Dark Matter is a close second).

Canadian Sci-Fi starring Roger Cross

That made me laugh out loud because it’s so damn true.

Ooh the guy from Dark Matter is in this? I’ll have to watch it now.
Yeah, but he’s mean in Continuum lol. In Dark Matter he was probably the nicest of the 6 main characters.

It might be worth pointing out there are two sci-fi shows called “Dark Matter”.

www.imdb.com/title/tt4159076/ <-- This is the crazy fun space sci-fi show from 2015 that ended abruptly. This is the one I think you referenced.

www.imdb.com/title/tt19231492/ <-- This is the more somber sci-fi show from 2024 with the focus on dimensional travel. It is good, but I prefer the other.

Dark Matter (TV Series 2015–2017) ⭐ 7.5 | Adventure, Drama, Mystery

42m | TV-14

IMDb
Did they release a second season?
There’s 4 seasons…

Second Season?

There are 4 seasons!

Did you just come back from the past or something? 😅

Look I haven’t been on netflix for some time due to their habit of canceling shows. That’s where I saw it.

Not everyone pays that close attention.

It’s on Prime now. Give it a watch.
Iirc this show actually got finished and is really good.
Too bad we don’t have time-traveling Unabombers
I’m sure there’s someone who could make an argument why Ted Kazinsky (did I spell that correctly?) is a timetraveller.
Kazinsky probably “killed himself” because he took a look at the world of 2023 and realized that no one listened to a single word he said.
“Killed himself” by Mark Zuck, that’s it!
Society was only looking like Idiocracy during the 2000s. But soon as the world got turned upside down in the 2010s, the comparison grew more distant.

Are you sure about that? Look who just got elected president of the US again.

You also have that stupid movement where liberal women are withholding sex as a protest. Sounds an awful lot like the beginning of Idiocracy to me.

I still think it’s on track for Idiocracy.

Tbh it’s starting to look more like Altered Carbon, except the core tech is complete vaporware because eel-on-musk made it.

That, or CP2077.

Nah, Idiocracy somehow got to 2505 with a livable Earth. We are not on that track.
Good point, but I meant more the general civilization rather than the timeline.

I just finished rewatching this yesterday. It’s on Prime by the way. And as the show continued I was like “Wait, am I siding with Liber8”? The terrorist group in the show. Seriously there are so many parallels to real life.

The people with the money making our laws. Our presidential cabinet is about to be made up of billions of dollars. Other corporations are buying the government so they can have political power. Lobbying.

The first episode when we saw the first grassroots support of Liber8 trying to take down a corporation using violence I thought of Luigi and his overwhelming support by the public.

The Liber8 group has supporters and they have a peaceful protest on a school campus that are arrested because they are “supporting terrorists”. But really they are just supporting the cause, not the few violent people. Which is exactly like supporting the Palestinians. The police consider every Palestinian as a terrorist even though it’s only a few.

The time travel gets a little wonky at times but damn was it a fascinating show of the gray area. I kept flipping back and forth on who was right. And shit, the twist in season 3 I didn’t see coming and basically upended the series. Definitely worth a quick watch. 4 short seasons.

Seriously there are so many parallels to real life. This was made in 2012. A bit ahead of its time.

Like with most movies and books that seem ahead of their time because they ‘predict the future’, the show was based on an existing trend that was happening and they accurately predicted the obvious outcome. That isn’t a criticism of their artistic ability, just pointing out that we were well on this path back in 2012 and the show happened to highlight that trend.

you see all these trends… and are still paying for Prime?
Actually I’m using my dad’s account. But yeah I still pay for Netflix and Hulu. Anything that isn’t available anywhere though I’ll go to the seas.
It was a pretty good show that sadly got forgotten. But yes, on my second rewatch recently (In Canada at least it’s also on Tubi for free…) I was immediately with Liber8. They are the protagonists. And I think that was kind of the point of the show by the end.
By episode 6 I was on their side lol. When they steered away from violence and won over the public I was like ok I can get on board with this.
In some ways I think they always were about non-violence. Kagami clearly only resorted to the bombing when they had nothing else to lose. The female leader (Sonia I think her name was) was on that side of things as well, while Roger Cross’ character (I think his name was Travis?) was the militaristic one.
Yeah, and I hate to say it but in some cases you need violence to make any change. You can protest the companies all you want 24/7 but they’ll just ignore you and keep doing what that want. The BLM protests resorted to this because “no one was listening to us and we keep dying”. It’s not the best solution but what else is there.

I realize I’ll get downvoted to hell for saying it, but IMO anyone who says that non-violence works every time is naive.

The French didn’t gain anything until the guillotines started rolling. America didn’t get their freedom until they started fighting back. British/Portuguese/French Colonialism in Africa didn’t come to an end until the locals started rioting and in some cases flat out starting revolutions.

Anyone who says violence never solved anything hasn’t been paying attention to ANYTHING in history EVER.

Nah people like to rewrite history in a better image to feel better. The down votes already prove that. Violence should not be the first option but when exhausted of all other options and people are still literally dying it shouldn’t be overlooked. CEOs will just laugh from their ivory towers at “all the peasants whining” and then go right back to killing more people.
Anyone who thinks violence never changes anything has never opened a history text.

As Gramsci pointed out you need broad coalitions between key groups like educators and bureaucrats, but it has to also extend to radical action groups as allies with some social insulation between them to manage public morale and maintain an alliance.

It’s interesting what is going on in Syria right now.

The scariest part about this comment that it barely sounds like fiction.

Yeah, the overall plot of the show is that people who are perceived as terrorists are often liberation fighters with a nasty edge, and it’s hard tell the difference between evil and righteousness sometimes. The narrative perspective shifts and changes and so do your sympathies with the characters. It is a harsh critique of runaway, capitalism, but not necessarily fully anti-capitalist or pro communist anything. It ends up with a pretty centrist message in some ways.

It’s great to see Vancouver acting as Vancouver, both future and present, pretty rare considering how much is being shot there.

Idiocracy was too optimistic. it supposes that when people are having problems they will realize, realize they can’t fix it, and try to find someone who knows more than them to fix them
Not just that but the story also suggests that the US can fail so terribly while still functioning to be able to still host monster truck rallies and have a working water system that can pump millions of gallons of mountain dew
Brawndo, its what plants crave
The premise was that it was a gradual decline to that point though. There would have been millions of opportunities to right the ship up until that point. It’s optimistic that at some point, at SOME point, people will decide to do what the smartest people think. But the movie is pretty pessimistic that there was entire generations that didn’t ever do that even once.
It’s also not how genetics works. Smart people don’t only have smart children and dumb people don’t only have dumb children.
The eugenics component of the movie is gross, no wonder I fail to remember it.

IIRC, the movie had no eugenics component. You appear to be conflating the concept of “darwinism” (natural selection) with the concept of “eugenics”.

The concept of “reproductive rights” allows for individuals to make their own selections for themselves and their offspirng; those choices do not constitute “eugenics” until they are imposed in another.

If the state is not applying selective pressure, it is not eugenics.

The apocalyptic scenario depicted in the movie is suggested to be brought about by failing to encourage the correct couples to reproduce. Implying that certain people for certain reasons are unworthy because their progeny are not suitable stewards of the planet.

I’m going to have to go watch the movie again, but I don’t recall any message that the state created (or failed to stop) the “idiotization” of the populace.

The overarching message seemed to blame rampant consumerism, not evolutionary pressure.

No, it wasn’t. The implication was that the smart people didn’t procreate as much as the stupid people, and that generation after generation saw the intelligence of the species go down.

Worth had nothing to do with it.

Works have meanings beyond their surface-level detail and literal meaning. They also have themes and clear implications. And Idiocracy certainly has those. It has clear undertones of eugenics.

The first is the clear implication that population demographics require active management. In the movie, there was no mass government program to encourage births among those of low intelligence and discourage births among the intelligent. This situation developed entirely naturally through culture acting on its own. A viewer could only conclude that if this horrible future is to be avoided, that we need to start worrying a lot more about who is reproducing in what numbers. We either need government mandates or major cultural initiatives to encourage reproduction among the deserving. Idiocracy never outright endorses eugenics, but the implication is obvious. Writers aren’t idiots. They know the clear implications of their work. You don’t end up with a political movie that clearly implies the solution is genocide without realizing that’s the obvious implication.

The second is the theme that intelligence is something that can be bred or selected for at all through the social stratification we have now. Are those with PhDs really more intelligent, by writ of birth, than those that never graduate high school? Or it mostly about circumstances of birth, opportunities, personal choices, or even neonatal environmental pollutant exposure? Do we have any real evidence that intelligence differences within the species are something that can truly be selected for? Hell, what kind of intelligence are we talking about? Scholastic ability, emotional intelligence, executive reasoning, etc? There are many types of intelligence. And the very idea that the poor and those of lower educational attainment are of genetically lower intelligence is a key eugenics theme.

Yes, Idiocracy never comes right out and explicitly endorses eugenics. But the implications and themes are undeniably pro-eugenics.

The eugenics component of the movie

Don’t do drugs, it’s bad for you. You remembered the wrong movie.

There is though, there’s a whole scene about poor=dumb and horny vs rich=smart and chaste. It’s very easy to forget since it doesn’t solidly tie in as much as the producers may have hoped
No, the scene is about how the wealthy people wait for the best financial opportunity to afford their kid the best while the dumb people just have kids.
The movie is about how “dumb” people outbred “smart” people and it ruined the planet/humanity. Replace those traits with the races of your choice or any other genetic trait and tell me if you’re still OK with that narrative.
Race isn’t the result of choices but being less educated certainly is to some degree a function of choice. Your suggestion of replacing a trait that involves choices with one that is not chosen at any level is a false equivalence.
How exactly is it treated as a choice in the movie?
You know how you can choose to pay attention in class and do the work and ask for help when needed? If you don’t do any if that you’ll end up dumb and that is a result if your choices
Setting aside the ableism of your reply, it still in no way relates to how intelligence is treated in the movie that is being discussed.

Dumb isn’t ableist really. It used to refer to mute people but it hasn’t been used for that purpose in decades. Nice try at another bullshit claim. You like those don’t you?

You misunderstood the first scene completely to the point where I wonder if your sensitivity to this bit is because of your own perspective on where you sit intellectually or financially. You can decide on your own how much of that is the result of your educational choices.

Lol. “You’re dumb and poor”. What an informative reply. Thanks for clearing that up.
You really have trouble understanding things if that’s your take away from my comment. I never concluded that you are poor or stupid but Im leaning towards you not being a strong reader based on the skills you demonstrated today.

I wonder if your sensitivity to this bit is because of your own perspective on where you sit intellectually or financially

Literally what you said. Feel free to clarify if that’s not what you meant.

The “smart” people keep waiting and waiting. It’s not being forced on them…