kid2908RedNote's Surge Shows the Hypocrisy Tearing the Internet Apart
RottcoddThe only winners in this scenario are governments that want more control over their citizens’ digital lives.
And that, as the saying goes, is not a bug. It’s a feature.
Man I wish European governments would take more control of our digital town squares that are entirely owned and handled by foreign corporations who seek to erode democracy.
NineMileTowerWhat happens when Americans start posting about Hong Kong not being a part of China?
GodlessCommieThe same thing that’s happening right now with Americans claiming Taiwan is not part of China.
GormadtTo shreds you say?
The same as when Americans posted about the gaza genocide on tik tok, the government cracks down.
Max-PThe same as already happens on lemmy.ml 😂
Really? Let me try.
Hong Kong isn’t part of China. Taiwan is an independent country.
rnercleTibet is completely forgotten 😢
Tibet was CIA propaganda. The Dalai Lama org was directly paid by the CIA
That doesn’t make them propaganda. Tibet exists, I’ve been there. I have friends living there. The CIA paid for places to put listening equipment along China’s border. They did it in Cuba too. Is Castro propaganda?
You also deny that the Uyghurs are being disappeared and “reeducated”. The Uyghurs are being treated just like the First Nations people in America were. Their land stand in the way of Chinese “progress”
Are you paid by China? Or are you just a useful idiot?
The reeducated thing is sinophobic propaganda bullshit.
I agree, that’s why it’s in quotes. In reality they’re being put in camps on the border and hidden away from the media.
He’s a useful idiot who hates one thing so much that he will ignore any and all good things bad about that thing, and will ignore any and all bad things about something that isn’t that thing.
Yeah, shorthand for this is Tankie
let’s assume that statement is true, let’s take the words of an anonymous internaut for truth :
CIA paid Taliban too, i remember reading. Does that make Taliban too just propaganda?
U.S. sponsored and sponsors many movements around the globe as long as their goals align. That money alone can’t invalidate the cause.
Like, on the contrary, U.S. sponsorship can’t validate a cause either.
i remember unsubscribing from political communities, why the heck am i responding to this comment at this hour. Completely futile! Will it change your mind? Do i really care what you will think about Tibet tomorrow?
Tibet was today’s Uyghurs. its US Sinophobic propaganda.
U.S. sponsored and sponsors many movements around the globe as long as their goals align. That money alone can’t invalidate the cause.
USSC declares money is speech. You not only agree, but go further that money is truth. Democracy, and political power, is much cheaper in smaller countries made less stable with US extortion and war. Navalny caught on video soliciting MI6 for funding to destabilize Russia. Hong Kong media mogul fomenting protests because of Americas values.
The US empire’s values are extortion, control, puppetry, and war whitewashed/described with a facade of liberal freedom. Every country is to be a pawn for the empire to the detriment of their population. The political establishment’s disdain for Americans provides no valid expectation for the empire to promote humanism elsewhere. Just propaganda.
Yes. However we can agree that all colonialism and imperialism is bad regardless of political structure in power.
lemmy.world/modlog/873048?page=1&modId=107790
Whoah. You’re ruining/c/latestagecapitalism…why aren’t you letting other leftists in the space?
OBJECTION!Tibet emerged as one of countless warlord states in the chaos following the fall of the Qing, it never received international recognition and is claimed by the ROC (Taiwan), in the period when it was autonomous, it was ruled by a slaveowning theocracy with an average life expectancy in the 30’s. Whipping, mutilation, and amputation were common punishments and poverty and starvation were rampant, with people frequently having to sell their kids for food.
“Free Tibet” is essentially just “The South Will Rise Again” with extra steps.
If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
I am requesting that link in lieu of an image macro
For the record, that line is more in reference to people talking about things that allegedly happened on the fediverse, like, “I saw such and such user say X.”
Here is a detailed account of what Tibet was like with sources. If there’s a specific claim that you’d like me to clarify or back up, I’d be happy to.
The slavery enjoyers are not happy with me, it seems. If only downvotes had the power to change historical facts.
极其滑稽的
EldritchYou mean mainland Taiwan? Never heard of this China.
You know the official name of Taiwan is The Republic of China right?
Yeah, that’s where the previous Chinese leaders fled when the communists took over…
That’s the joke yes. Among others here. 😆
ZeroOneI did, it’s a superpower
They’ll probably get mocked and their posts removed.
TAIWAN #1!
China doesn’t let it’s own people use these apps…
Rednote is mostly chinese users.
I’d bet Chinese government WANTS people using these apps. They have established state control for rapid monitoring and data collection and rapid censorship and targeted groups for manipulation and propaganda.
Their account gets banned.
Same as any mention of Tienamen Square and anything else the Chinese Government deems unacceptable.
Meanwhile, American users are flocking to RedNote because authorities have worked themselves into a lather over privacy concerns about TikTok, while U.S. tech giants harvest user data with industrial efficiency. The difference? American data collection is done for profit, and Chinese data collection is done for control. Pick your poison.
Hard to argue Zuck and Elon don’t want control either…
I’d argue profit and control are two side of the same coin
not necessarily
BizzlePlease elaborate
metaStaticthe power to destroy a thing is complete control over it
not necessarily, again
destruction may be the result of failure to control or even resistance to control. Why all these generalizations? There are so many variables in uncountably different situations.
Lisan al gaib?
Muad’dib!
some profit from things getting out of control
some give up on profit to have control (you may say that control is their profit, but i’m taking profit literally.
ElderReflections"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."
Then when all your desires are fullfilled you realize that your life is empty because nobody around you actually gives a shit about you and are only using you as a connection to money and/or power. You end up a soulless husk of a human being whose only goal in life is line go up.
Honestly, if they all stopped trying to get more money or power at the point where they have all the women and luxuries they could ever want it would be a vast improvement over the status quo at this point.
Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”
Then when you get the power you tell the plebs to make more money. “This is America. If you don’t make more money (for me), you’re a douchebag”.
The article talks about how America is mirroring China’s tactic. So yeah, now they want control too.
This is crystal clear now, but it was less clear before.
I started saying that social media finally figured out how to monetize the platform and it’s customers aren’t people, aren’t even companies, the customers are now billionaires and foreign governments.
foreign governments
The influence of foreign governments is negligible next to what the US exerts. Americans have the jester’s privilege, we can say whatever we want, as long as they know it doesn’t matter. As soon as the government feels like it matters, they have a million tools to silence you.
profit is simply a means of seeking control…
How do people not think that China is also a hyper capitalistic society, especially in the tech sector. Your data is 100% being sold if you are on any Chinese platform, just like in the U.S.
They all operate under the same laws in any given area. And neither respect your privacy if not forced by laws that are actually enforced.
You are right, but I imagine it is harder to sue a company over GDPR if they don’t even exists in Europe…
The difference? American data collection is done for profit, and Chinese data collection is done for control. Pick your poison.
No the difference is that these US companies give the US government a backdoor into everyone’s data (while also harvesting it all for profit) while the Chinese apps don’t in favor of giving the Chinese government a backdoor into everyone’s data. They don’t give a shit about propaganda and brainwashing occurring which is why they’ll allow the app to stay up in the US just so long as it’s an American company controlling it here because then they can install their backdoor for the US government.
And all of this social media shit is a distraction from real problems in the world. This is what our government does to run out the clock and prevent meaningful change.
Unfortunately nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Isn’t it the exact opposite? The only thing China can do with my data is try to sell me stuff. Meanwhile, the authorities in my own country have the power to kick in my door and drag me away to some blacksite.
If I were Chinese, I would rather the US government have my data than the Chinese government, but since I’m American, I would rather the Chinese government have it than the US. Pretty much everyone anywhere in the world ought to regard their own government as their highest security risk.