los angeles crypto bros reporting that they lost their life's savings because they had their seed phrase stored in their house is exactly why cryptocurrency is way better than a regular bank (/s)

@molly0xfff @davidgerard

#LAFires #LosAngeles #LosAngelesFires #crypto #cryptocurrency #bitcoin #btc #seedphrase

@cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

With full power of your own money you have full responsibility.

It is like having all your savings cash under the mattress. Probably not a great idea. But it does show an important property of both cash and bitcoin. If you truly own something it is yours to lose.

There is value in having money that is truly mine. With democracy in the middle of a slow motion train wreck collapse in the US I hope the partly sane part of the US will see the value.

@cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

Not really sure why I try anymore. Bitcoin is now so deeply partisan in the US. I will not convince anyone...

Sorry for bothering you

@emil @cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

Have fun ~staying~ making yourself poor!

@Orb2069 @cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

God knows I have had enough with that from the other side as well with the "have fun staying poor" shit

@emil @cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

You scrambling to dump your bags on idiot preppers isn't the scintillating discussion you think it is.

@Orb2069 @cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

Do you think everyone that advocates for bitcoin has that agenda?

@emil @cryptadamist @molly0xfff @davidgerard

The protocol itself is only interesting in a "man bites dog" way - congrats on finding a way to make unnecessary complexity useful.

IME Everyone else is pushing it as a solution for something (you included), when it's -at it's best- a CS party trick. Whether or not they're doing it in bad faith is really the only variable.

@Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff @davidgerard eh, i'd say monero & ethereum (and to a lesser extent bitcoin) are a bit more than "a CS party trick". they're actually pretty impressive when you work with them. the problem is that second part: literally everyone in crypto is operating in bad faith trying to present an interesting distributed data store as literally money, which is not what it is.

https://universeodon.com/@rdviii@famichiki.jp/113786491524377189

Rod Van Meter (@[email protected])

@[email protected] the distributed ledger is a fantastic idea and an interesting data structure, and probably useful in a lot of distributed systems problems at the scale of, say, a web server farm or distributed storage system with a small number of replicas. But it is NOT NOT NOT, in the original design, something that should be used at global scale, and a lot of the academic literature is small patches on a fundamentally misused idea.

Famichiki

@cryptadamist @emil @molly0xfff @davidgerard

They're complex, and complex things are all interesting, but compared to cache invalidation or fourier transformations?

@Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff @davidgerard i dunno i am a hardcore sceptic who literally thinks crypto is demonic and fwiw i used to take the "CS party trick" side but then i actually worked with the chains a bit and now i actually think the ethereum virtual machien is kind of an impressive technical achievement. ymmv.

https://cryptadamus.substack.com/p/cryptocurrency-is-a-hideous-monstrosity

Cryptocurrency Is A Hideous Monstrosity Made Out Of Computers And Greed That Is About To Devour The World

The prophecies of The Oracle Of Tulips are about to be realized.

The Cryptocalypse Chronicles
@cryptadamist @Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff i have always said bitcoin/crypto is genuinely technically interesting, if only in the "what in God's name even is that thing" and "WHYYYY" senses
@davidgerard @cryptadamist @Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff Definitely. It's cool for technical reasons, but the "why" is always incredibly stupid. Techbros will shit out incredibly complex hybrid p2p/centralized networks with complex systems to come to consensus on state of the whole network only to use it for printing Monopoly Money & obsoleting space heaters.
@jackemled @davidgerard @Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff if you think of it more as "a decentralized unkillable data store" and not as "money" it's easier to see why it's impressive i think. but yeah we're still looking for an actual use case.
@cryptadamist @davidgerard @Orb2069 @emil @molly0xfff Yeah exactly. It can do that, but WORM memory isn't something people want to use anymore, & a blockchain is kind of WORM. You can't delete stuff later, & when you overwrite something the old version is still there. That's good for version management, except you can't delete unnecessary versions to free space on everyone's computers.