byrtzrWe are not the same
SanctusI think I have like 4 different distros near me at any given time now that I think about it. A Debian one for Minecraft and some other game servers, my windows PC, a Mac for music stuff, and my arch laptop, I guess the steam deck technically counts too. Even at work I use all three occasionally.
At least macOS is UNIX
It really does mac a difference.
u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)As an Arch user, whatever suits you.
I installed Arch on my ThinkPad because.............................................................................................. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh.................... I had an Arch sticker and I felt like I couldn’t use it if I didn’t use Arch.
Everyone has some reasons for their favorite distro.
I use Arch, and I have an OpenSUSE wallpaper.
Before this I used Mint and had an Arch wallpaper…
I live to offend.
JustEnoughDucksOpensuse unironically has some of the best OS branding and wallpapers. I like that little chameleon.
I use bazzite now but I liked all of the visuals of opensuse Kalpa better!
im fuckin shaking rn ong
Meh, I mean Arch includes non-free software as well so I don’t really understand. As a Trisquel user, you all are dead to me.
Infernal_pizzaAs an AmogOS user you seem a bit sus
Alpine?
I just went full linux on my daily driver about a year ago after running a headless linux media server for a few years.
Can someone explain to me why Ubuntu is so terrible? Is it not difficult enough to use or something?
FuglyDuckI’m going to preface this with saying whatever works for you.
It’s not really about difficulty for most people.
Canonical (the people who manage Ubuntu,) has made some unfortunate decisions.
First, and I feel this has always been true, they approach their users with the assumption that they are in fact idiots. Microsoft has the same design philosophy, and it makes things much harder than it needs to be. (Some people may be idiots, but if they want to wipe the entire drive, that’s their business, right?)
Secondly, Ubuntu tends snoop on you, and certain decisions by canonical raises alarms.
Finally, fuck snap.
Edit: if all you’ve used is Ubuntu, get yourself a moderately large usb stick and try a few others out. No need to remove Ubuntu to try a new flavor. Linux is like ice cream. Find your favorite and stab anyone who disagrees with you. I mean, Stan it. Yeah that’s it.
I’m sure there are as many reasons as there are people who dislike Ubuntu, but here’s a few:
- They injected internet ads into search
- To many outside of the community if they have any familiarity with Linux on a desktop, it’s with Ubuntu which kinda places it in a position to newcomers as being Linux itself rather than one particular flavor
- It is very opinionated about look and feel and usability: i.e. their custom launcher and Snaps
- It’s popular
- It has a reasonably large user base so there’s more opportunity for people to find things to nitpick over.
Overall it’s fine. I’ve used Ubuntu, Puppy, DSL, Arch (btw), Fedora, and Debian. I can do pretty much anything I need to on any of them. I’ve got my preferences about the correct balance between useability, upgrade schedule, and customizability.
They injected internet ads into search
They did? Like filesystem search? I don’t see that.
It was the application browser, and they rolled it back after the backlash.
As ferret mentioned it was in the past, but they were prominent:
Woof.
Use whatever you like.
But don’t complain “Linux requires constant work” after it breaks in a couple of years, instead, be free to complain “Ubuntu requires constant work”.
Also, beware that it may be spying on you.
snaps.
oh, and that time that Canonical put Amazon telemetry in the default search application.
oh, and how they just bundle up “bleeding edge” stuff from a year ago and ship it with it’s associated bugs.
It’s been a few years since I tried but it just really turned me off.
It’s been a few years
I hate snaps too, but search telem was disabled 9 years ago :)
That’s that happened closer to Cannocial disabling search telem than today:
The original theatrical release of Iron Man The release of the Apple App Store The inauguration of the LHC Bitcoin’s blockchain Started Space Shuttle Atlantis is launched to refurbish the Hubble Space Telescope
To expand on the hate of snaps:
They’re a packaging solution for apps and dependencies. They’re apparently quite comfortable for app developers to use too. There was a hiccup where some apps really struggled to run well as snaps, but AFAIK that was fixed.
The common issues are snapcraft being the only repository and the methods of pushing them:
Snapcraft is where the packages are stored and loaded from, and it’s a closed-source repo hosted and controlled by Canonical, with no option to configure snap to use a different source. That has advantages for security, if you trust Canonical to vet and take responsibility for the packages on their system, but some people chafe at that lack of control. Compare to flatpak, where you can add arbitrary repos, so any distro vendor can have their own set of packages and versions they’ve vetted for stability and compatibility, but if I want a different version than my vendor maintains in their remote, I can use a different remote for certain apps instead.
The second issue is that the classical apt system, which used to install .deb packages, was utilised to install snaps instead, so you’d run apt install package and expect a .deb to be installed, but instead it just downloads a script that runs snap install package and you get a snap instead, which is particularly annoying when you previously had it as a deb and it suddenly gets replaced. The argument here is a smooth transition to the “better” system, on the premise that snaps are better and the assumption that users won’t care or notice. In some cases (the hiccups mentioned earlier) that just wasn’t the case and people got frustrated, but even if it worked, some people (including me) take issue with expecting a deb and getting a snap - if I want a snap, I’ll use snap, and if your deb is deprecated, offer me to switch instead of silently installing the alternate source instead.
Thank you for explaining that. I’m new to Linux and really didn’t understand that snap thing I heard about
In that case, let me add a few more details:
Deb packages have dependencies on other packages. To install and run a given application, you will have to install other packages (typically libraries the app depends on) too. In the case of using apt, you may see it show a list of packages to install, even when you asked for just one - those other packages are things the one you asked for requires.
These packages are shared across apps. If I install one app that requires a specific graphics library, then later install another that requires the same library, it won’t have to install it again. On the other hand, if some library introduces changes that break something, updating that shared library because one app requires a newer version may break a different app which required the old version and isn’t compatible with the new one.
Snaps on the other hand are self-contained: All the dependencies are included with the snap, frozen into whatever version the snap author chose. You can have multiple different versions of the same snap installed in parallel, and each will have their dependencies isolated from each other and the rest of the system. Additionally, they come with certain security measures like restricting the app’s access to the filesystem, network, display etc.
As a downside, snaps can be larger (but don’t have to be, as they can be stored compressed because the dependencies don’t need to be available elsewhere) and take a little longer to start (though this has apparently been much improved).
So they’re not generally a bad thing, all in all. I understand their advantages, I respect that they can be a comfortable solution for devs, I like the idea behind the security measures.
For my personal experience:
I recall that the Firefox snap had issues as opposed to the deb (among other things, the startup time was atrocious for me), which was how my issues with it started, because it took some effort to figure out how to get a deb version again and make sure I kept getting deb versions. Some other app - I don’t recall which one - also had persistent lag issues which were apparently due to some permissions problem, where security evidently hamstrung usability.
Accordingly, I was somewhat disgruntled with having my working app ripped out from under me and replaced with a worse one and no comfortable way to get back. I had issues with my Firefox profile too, which turned out to be user error on my part, but obviously still annoyed me in absence of an easy migration mechanism between the two.
Again, these issues may be fixed now, and they might not be issues for everyone in the first place: if you start out with the snap, migration won’t be an issue, and if it runs well, it may well be a better solution for you. I personally resent the philosophy of “Here, let me assume you want a different thing and just swap it out for you”, but you don’t need to share that resentment.
Endymion_MallornI use both Mint and Archbang. I'm half-dead to myself.
I love it. This made me laugh.
As this month’s chair of the of the Linux User Group for Letting Everyone Know We Hate Snaps, I want to clarify that we don’t have a problem with Ubuntu users.
It’s Canonical we have a beef with.
Well written! We have chosen well
- LUG LEKWHS Member
Arch is nice, I use it on my laptop, but desktop / daily driver is Debian.
It’s so nice to be able to rely on having a stable OS to fall back on if I screw something up on my arch laptop my arch laptop magically borks itself (How did that happen? Who could have done this?).
s/HERE/HEAR/g
I don’t think I’ve seen this meme format before but it’s fucking hilarious. I love that kid’s stance while hitting the bowl, he’s ready for action.
how have you not seen it ? it’s been around for ages !
but I agree, it’s freakin hilarious
I probably have, but was too stoned to recall…
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lubuntu
Possibly linuxPretty much anything but Ubuntu and Manjaro.
Soo… Fedora?
For desktop is is great. Wouldn’t use it as a prod server for obvious reasons.
DiplomjodlerI use Mint, by the way.
TrickDacyPop_OS is what I may stick to. It’s fantastic.
As an Ubuntu user, I would never say “Long live Ubuntu”.
Long live Android!
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kittenzrulz123As an Arch user, both Debian and Pop_OS are better choices than Ubuntu
L3ft_F13ld!Don’t forget Mint.
Imo Debian with Cinnamon is better, it may require a tad but more effort to set up but its more stable
That’s fair. Personally, I use Debian for my little home server, but it’s not a desktop OS for me.
Nice thing about linux is we don’t have to agree. We’re free to use whatever we want.
You would be genuenly suprised how good of a desktop OS it is, granted the packaged are old but keep in mind you can use repo packages for stability and flatpak for up to date software
I’m sure it’s perfecly fine as a desktop OS. It’s just not for me. I prefer more up to date software, so I recommend Mint to anyone asking, but use Endeavour (Arch, BTW) myself. I finally understand why people are always singing the praises of the AUR.
Also, if I’m going to lean into Flatpak as a packaging system, I’m gonna use it as an excuse to properly try an immutable system and see how I get along with it.
Now, all of this is purely my own opinion. Other people can use and like what suits them. I’m not trying to gatekeep or be an elitist. I’m an absolute noob myself.
Honestly thats fair, im referring to people who dont need up to date software :3
In that case, I’d still recommend Mint or Mint Debian Edition unless the person knows what they want. Then Debian would be absolutely fine.
I just use Linux Mint Debian Edition for my study laptop, sounds pretty much the same - in over a year of use, I have literally never had a single problem with it (other than things directly caused by me like leftover fstab entries for testing). I know it’s what Debian is renowned for but god damn that is a stable operating system
I just use Linux Mint Debian Edition for my study laptop, sounds pretty much the same - in over a year of use, I have literally never had a single problem with it (other than things directly caused by me like leftover fstab entries for testing). I know it’s what Debian is renowned for but god damn that is a stable operating system.
Stable as a rock
But
Old as a rock
For 99% of computer users thats a good thing, not eveyone wants to update or needs the latest and greatest (also Debian is three years out of date at worst).
😄 I know
(We are in a meme community)
Oh right I forgor… Uhhh… I meant its not Arch btw therefore it sucks :3
I currently have Pop_OS on a laptop, but haven’t run Ubuntu in a while. What is worse about it?
So far (installed the other night) I just hate how slow the Pop Store runs. Terminal is quick and fluid, Firefox was good, Jellyfin setup all seemed to go quick. Installing the client for my VPN (PIA) went on forever and had issues so I just installed OpenVPN and set up a single Spain VPN gateway there. But for whatever reason that store just drags ass
wingsfortheirsmilesThe Pop Shop is definitely one of the worst things about the distro, Cosmic Shop runs smooth as butter by comparison. Looking forward to the Cosmic Beta currently due in a few months
Thanks for the tip
comador As an old crusty Slackware user and UNIX admin, IDGAF what Linux distro people use; using any of them is a step in the right direction.
Couldn’t agree more! Hell, it doesn’t even have to be Linux. AIX on an LPAR? Cool. Irix on an old SGI workstation? You do you, man. MacOS and you use open source tools? Get it, man! Solaris on x86? You’re a sick fuck, but hey, it takes all types to make the world go round, you Larry Ellison supporting twat.
Anyways, just use a unix variant, any of them.