say you FDM printed something on your 3D printer in, say, regular old PLA at 200deg C

and say you also had an aluminum mold of the same model

could you put that print in that mold and heat the mold to the edge of its glass point and blow compressed air through to iron all the outer surfaces to the contour of the mold, like blow molding but way slower and at lower temp with all the wrong materials?

sometimes my brain goes unsupervised for too long whilst watching robots make toys.
still kinda pissy that I haven’t come up with a good way to make aluminum molds using a cheap 3018 CNC router with a beefy upgraded spindle and some aluminum-rated end mills but can only be pissy with myself for not spending any more time working on it since I got the stuff and did a couple test cuts in wood.
@djsundog I think @kwayk42 was talking about using the same machine to work aluminum on the @MountainTownToys account earlier.

@ajroach42 @kwayk42 @MountainTownToys

I’d love to get that going even if it was only usable for the relatively “simple” parts but my self-learning has had a steep curve

@djsundog @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 I'd also love to get that going.
@djsundog @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 But I'm terrified of it.
@ajroach42 @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 that too - we absolutely need a vac attachment and more than my one filtration mask and sealed goggles. probably should build it an enclosure even.
@ajroach42 @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 but even if it took two days to do a pair of molds they’d still speed up the injection molding process enough over the printing time and wear cycle to make it worth the two days of milling, yeah?

@djsundog @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 our 3D printed molds take ~3 hours to produce, last for between 50 and 200 pieces, and allow us to produce 1 part per mold every 10 - 12 minutes.

I had 8 molds in circulation yesterday, and I was able to get an average one part every 2 minutes.

With an aluminum mold, I can continuously re-use it. There's no waiting between parts. That means I can do one part every 30 seconds or so.

So ... yeah, it would absolutely be worth the two days of milling time if it was for a part we're going to use often.

@djsundog @MountainTownToys @kwayk42 (and the aluminum molds should last for 10,000+ parts.)

@djsundog @ajroach42 @MountainTownToys you'll need to swap the CNC spindle motor to do at least 18,000 rpm plus you'll have to add a coolant pump and nozzle so you don't shatter your bits.

I also custom designed my own carriage and end-stop sensors. I built it all into a cart from #HarborFreight

The custom carriage was so I can hot swap the spindle for a laser engraver

@kwayk42 @djsundog @MountainTownToys I think we've already swapped the motor.

We will need a coolant system.

The bigger problem here, I think, is that neither of us know jack shit about cnc milling.

@ajroach42 @djsundog @MountainTownToys ahhhh, so the trick with aluminum is how sticky it is.

It's technically not a metal? But we don't need a materials science lecture lol

At higher speeds it will chip off vs making clean strands like steel. It also has a grain to it, where it helps to slow the movement speed down when your going across the grain vs with the grain.

There's CNC forums that'll have more detail and the types of aluminum

@kwayk42 @ajroach42 @djsundog I bet that'd be really useful advice if I knew anything about cnc milling. I just gotta learn the basics.
@kwayk42 @ajroach42 @MountainTownToys that’s a sweet setup! that’s what we need to do for sure. Got a 21,000 rpm spindle, need to add the cooling.

@djsundog

Aluminum is pretty easy to mill.

@djsundog It might just. There is a process called vacuum forming (random link) https://formlabs.com/blog/introduction-to-vacuum-forming/ someone in our local makers group was setting up gear to do it.

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@Dianora we do vacuum forming too! I’m wondering if we can almost do the opposite haha

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@aschmitz I mean, we have two or three kilns already haha
@djsundog Yeah I'm not sure you want to go *that* hot though.

@aschmitz @djsundog We have ... 5, I think? 3 in the building, plus two of Ambers (one big, one small), plus Tara's if we want to count that.

We can heat em up pretty slow.

@djsundog I wouldn't try this so much with PLA? As an organic based plastic (corn mostly) when you reheat it, it'll shrink or at least settle.

PETG should withstand this type of process better as it usually keeps it's size/ shape / properties with heat tempering.

@kwayk42 appreciate the tip, I could definitely give PETG a shot heh

@djsundog anytime, material properties are kinda my jam.

I'll keep my design tricks to myself for now, but if you have questions about materials to use for a project, feel free to toot 👍