Joe LanmanEspecially in the light of Zuckerberg's recent behaviour, please consider using Signal, it's actually good and a pretty easy replacement for Whatsapp
taylor 
@joelanman the problem with signal is messages are stranded on your iphone. Signal have decided they do not care about your data sovereignty and refuse to give you anyway to backup messages so that if you lose/break your iphone all your messages are gone.
Furthermore, even when i tried to use the migration feature (which requires you to have your old phone and a new phone and doesn't work going cross android/ios) it would crash the app every single time.
Signal seems to be the only xplat option that isn't owned by alt right grifters (Zuckerberg, Durov) but i value not losing all my messages over that :/
CpyJx 🍉@tay @joelanman Signal has been working on a proper backup solution for iOS and Android for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if its released late this year if not sooner.
@Cappyjax @joelanman even if they added it tomorrow, the fact that they've been supposedly working on such a important feature for almost 10 years doesn't fill you with confidence about their priorities
@tay That's an inaccurate statement. Signal has not been working on backups for 10 years, the first backup code was published October 2023 [1]. It's been less than 2 years and the code is already being tested with desktop sync [2].
I'd advise not putting down nor spreading FUD about free and open source projects that enable others to chat freely and privately as it may turn people to less secure platforms like Telegram, Whatsapp, etc.
[1] https://signalupdateinfo.com/news/cloud-backups.html
[2] https://community.signalusers.org/t/help-us-test-desktop-history-syncing/65452
@Cappyjax ok sure, but given how essential of a feature, you'd think that by 4 years after their release (not 9) they'd be at "we're nearly ready!" not (paraphrased) "we're starting to work on first steps on a internal testing version of a similar feature" and you'd think at 7 years after that, you'd think it'd have been shipped.
https://community.signalusers.org/t/ios-backups-keeping-message-history-when-resetting-phone/1736/11
@tay You're judging a project on one missing piece of the puzzle and saying "I can't trust because they haven't met some arbitrary goal I set". Shitting on their work without knowing internal hurdles, setbacks or roadblocks is illogical and disingenuous.
Can you point to a project that provides the same feature set as Signal and includes backups?
- FOSS
- Cross platform
- Default E2EE, including metadata, no opt-out
- PQXDH equivalent
- Free to use
- Non-profit driven via donations
- Good UX